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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: How to get that "lub-lub-lub" articulation effect Reply with quote

I've heard this effect before but could never figure out how it's done. I can't flutter tongue either, so maybe it's a lost cause anyway. Miles used it often also, but here's an example by Lex French, a great player out of Montreal, at 1:14. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks!

https://youtu.be/RUSv7kLbdQA?t=1m14s
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's some great trumpet playing right there! Wow! Kudos to Lex French! I'll be visiting Montreal later this year, maybe I can catch him there.

I learned to do this effect when transcribing some Miles solos. I've heard Wynton and Chet do it as well. What I do is actually pull the horn away from my face a little bit so the pitch doesn't really slot and then put the horn back in place and the note sort of "scoops" up into the slot. So it's almost like a super-delayed hand vibrato, if that makes any sense. You're going from zero to normal pressure, in other words.

So it's like you're just doing a normal lip slur from bottom to top note, but you pull the horn from your face a little on the bottom note so it doesn't really slot and then you put the horn back to normal when you scoop up to the top pitch.

You can do it one of two ways. If it's in the key, you can pick an open valve note (low C for instance) and keep scooping from that note up to your ascending scale. Or you can just keep your valves at the target pitches and scoop up from the lower partial up to your chosen notes. Both work, you'll have to find out which is best for the particular key and line you're playing in.

I hope this makes sense! Futz around with it a little while. It's a second-nature effect for me now, I use it all the time on ballads (I like to do it on the ascending scale in "Polka Dots & Moonbeams for instance).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick your tongue right between your teeth, and you'll get that sound.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give both those suggestions a try. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working on it now!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought, but watching that vid, he's clearly put in a ton of time in the woodshed working on his playing. As a result, he's built and developed the technique to allow him to be fully expressive in how he's playing, which includes articulation.

There are no shortcuts - it's going to take time in the woodshed, fine tuning your technique and finding your own voice, which includes the ability to alter your articulation sounds to what you want them to be. Sometimes the best method to learn how to do something is with careful observation through self-experimentation in the practice room.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey all, just stumbled on this thread. Yeah, Mike Sailors has it right. For that type of articulation, I'm just tonguing with a decent amount of tongue between the teeth, and articulating "th".

Fun fact, the horn and mouthpiece in this video aren't mine: I'm playing on an old Holton from 1916, and a bucket of a mouthpiece because mine didn't seat in the receiver.. I literally picked them up about 10 mins before we recorded this live at the club, and warmed up out the back in the storeroom. Anyway, thanks for the nice comments, and yeah, fat tongue between the teeth!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GREAT playing Lex!! Really enjoyed that!!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mr Happy!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trickg wrote:

There are no shortcuts - it's going to take time in the woodshed, fine tuning your technique and finding your own voice, which includes the ability to alter your articulation sounds to what you want them to be.

You mean practice ?!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a wonderful tune done up right proper, Lex!! Thanks for the insight. Funny how sometimes it doesn't matter what horn or mouthpiece we grab - everything comes together because we are in the groove.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veery715 wrote:
Funny how sometimes it doesn't matter what horn or mouthpiece we grab - everything comes together because we are in the groove.


Veery715, totally! Doesn't matter what horn I play, I'll always sound like me. The equipment can make it easier or harder to realise the sound you're going for, but in the end it's about your own internal concept of sound and practicing how to manifest that.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lex,

Fantastic job - just wow!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Classy and expressive solo. Quality work!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike Sailors and Lex (so cool to see you on here!). It took a few days but it eventually clicked...now it's easy and my girlfriend is happy I'm not making thppttt sounds all day. Thanks again everyone!
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