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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2009 Posts: 909 Location: Joliet, IL
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:09 am Post subject: ACB Doubler Specifics / Modification |
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Hi guys. Going to be getting my first ACB Doubler flugel this week, and had a couple questions for seasoned owners.
- Is the mouthpiece shank a standard taper? I want to make sure when / if I get anew mouthpiece that I look at the right shanks.
- Are the valve cap threads any type of standard? I’m interested in getting a heavy trim kit / recessed top caps, and am hoping there’s some type of standard thread so it’s not a custom order.
- Lacquer stripping - this is an older model from before raw brass was offered. Does anyone have experience stripping lacquer from the previous red brass version?
Thanks! _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2331 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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All questions for Trent.. I'm sure if you give him a chance to settle into the new digs (he's moving his shop), he'll help you out more than any 57 of us on the web.... _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2009 Posts: 909 Location: Joliet, IL
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I sent a message to Trent through the site, but didn’t know they were moving. I’ll wait for a response. _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
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TrentAustin Heavyweight Member
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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Awesome Trent! Thanks for the input. _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2009 Posts: 909 Location: Joliet, IL
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Just to clarify, mainly for archival purposes.
I purchased a nickel Yamaha 631 tuning slide, and it fit fine. Seemed to open up the blow a bit, but I also swapped to a Curry 5FL from the included mouthpiece at the same time, so who knows. I also put in a set of the Yamaha valve springs from Mouthpiece Express and they do make a noticeable difference in the actuation force, for me.
As far as the threads, maybe they are Yamaha, but the Curry XCaps with Yamaha threads I got were too small to fit over the threads of the ACB Flugel. Oddly enough, the top caps and buttons fit my Jupiter perfectly. The bottom caps only go on about 3/4 of a turn, but I put 2 o-rings on each valve, and it makes a fun difference on that horn.
Just for future, the Yamaha leadpipe and springs worked with zero issue, the Yamaha threaded trim kit did not fit. _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
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meplaytrumpet Regular Member
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 13 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:49 am Post subject: Thread sizes |
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FYI, i also have a new ACB flugel. Top caps/buttons from a Yamaha flugel trim kit fit the top threads perfectly but the bottom caps are a different size |
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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2018 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I'm curious now if Yamaha flugel and trumpet threads / valve casings are the same diameter. Perhaps the bottom-sprung casings are larger? _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
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Tivolian Regular Member
Joined: 22 May 2018 Posts: 84 Location: Upstate New York
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Eighteen months into my comeback (>40 year layoff after high school) I recently bought a used ACB doublers flugel. My naive question is why replace the top caps and buttons with a Yamaha trim kit? How would those change the sound and/or action? Thanks. |
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PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Tivolian,
It was primarily an aesthetic / ergonomic choice. I bought them as soon as I received the flugel and realized it played well enough. I had read of a couple other people buying standard Yamaha springs and leadpipes to (slightly) improve the valve action and blow.
The trim kit was solely because I was originally going to also strip the lacquer from the red brass bell and let it patina, and thought a heavy trim kit in brushed silver would look cool. I also like the feel of recessed caps when I'm playing ballads (I know, that's an oddly specific thing but I find it true), and I figured it was worth the risk.
Thankfully the trim kit fit my XO 1600i pretty well. The threads weren't perfect but they also didn't strip / cross-thread much at all. Unfortunately that trumpet grew legs and walked away (stolen), but the flugel was left behind. I'm thankful for that because it's the first time I've owned a flugel since high school (30 now), and it was only a couple weeks old at the time of the theft.
And sitting right next to the trumpet...
Anyway, the heavy trim kit was just a personal choice, but I never got to see what the effect would have been on that horn. _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
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