View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
gigigal Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 36 Location: ITALY
|
Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:29 pm Post subject: Monette VS Cheap Chinese mp |
|
|
Hi guys,
I just recorded a video in which I compare by playing a Monette Silver 4 and a very cheap chinese mouthpiece (only €4,80 including shipping to Italy!) that I found on ebay.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrvatVgbCr0
Just don't consider wrong notes, or the first croocked part of the video...just compare the tone.
What do you think? _________________ Trpt: Augusto Righi GINEVRA
Flg: "COVID-horn"
Mp: RBT prototype
For those who like this kind of music, this kind of music they will like |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Locutus2k Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Rome, Italy
|
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
The Monette plays like … a Monette, the Chinese more like a conventional mouthpiece (i suppose because of the bore and backbore). Tone apart (Monette sounds more resonant and "rich") you seem more "relaxed" with the chinese maybe for the added resistance to the blow?
Considering the very cheap price i think that China will conquer the world, eventually … _________________ ------------------------
Edwards X-13
Lawler TL5 Balanced 30th Anniversary (#2 of 5)
Lawler TL5 L bore
Bach NY Special edition 2008
Flugel Van Laar Oiram Ack
Mark Curry mouthpieces
------------------------ |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gigigal Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 36 Location: ITALY
|
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 2:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'm more relaxed with the chinese because of the bigger diameter and the very deep cup. About resistance it is quite similar to the Monette.
Rim is also similar to the Monette and really comfortable.
About the price yes...it is ridiculous... _________________ Trpt: Augusto Righi GINEVRA
Flg: "COVID-horn"
Mp: RBT prototype
For those who like this kind of music, this kind of music they will like |
|
Back to top |
|
|
boog Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2014 Posts: 247
|
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:04 am Post subject: |
|
|
YOU make the tone...
I have taken a gamble on a few Chinese-machined $5 mouthpieces over the last few years. Some have been excellent, some crap. I have found that the designated size is not always correct. Also, the plating is not always up to typical standards.
For student use, many of the 3C's and 7C's are hard to beat for the price, and if they get trashed by a drop off of the bleachers or Dad's pliers, no big deal.
I snagged a flugel mouthpiece for $3 that is quickly becoming one of my favorites. Also a cornet mouthpiece that gives a Wick a good run!
For hard-core professional use, get a name brand of your preference!
Or not... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gigigal Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 36 Location: ITALY
|
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:59 am Post subject: |
|
|
boog wrote: |
I have found that the designated size is not always correct.
|
This is also the case...it is designated 3C, but it is definitevly bigger than a Bach 1-1/2C and deeper than a Bach C or B. _________________ Trpt: Augusto Righi GINEVRA
Flg: "COVID-horn"
Mp: RBT prototype
For those who like this kind of music, this kind of music they will like |
|
Back to top |
|
|
cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
|
Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
I don't think that tone is the foremost reason to buy a Monette mouthpiece. Their biggest selling points are about more efficient playing and more even intonation. And I wouldn't think it'd be fair to criticize Monette on tone based on one player's experience. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
|
Back to top |
|
|
GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
Also the silver Monette is not a "full fat" Monette mouthpiece.
To be honest, Monette mouthpieces are tantamount to cheating in terms of tone improvement and evenness of response. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
Licensed Radio Amateur - GM4SVM |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gigigal Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 36 Location: ITALY
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
GordonH wrote: | Also the silver Monette is not a "full fat" Monette mouthpiece. |
Yes, but I like its quicker response than the Prana.
GordonH wrote: |
To be honest, Monette mouthpieces are tantamount to cheating in terms of tone improvement and evenness of response. |
About this, I would use the verb to facilitate in place of to cheating.
If something can help you in having a fat sound why not use it? _________________ Trpt: Augusto Righi GINEVRA
Flg: "COVID-horn"
Mp: RBT prototype
For those who like this kind of music, this kind of music they will like |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
If you're in Italy you should chat with AR also - similar design ideas to Monette (big throats, big backbores, shortened shanks to compensate) but with a more flexible approach to the individual needs |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gigigal Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 36 Location: ITALY
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks man, I know him from many years!
And I played for 2 years one of his mp _________________ Trpt: Augusto Righi GINEVRA
Flg: "COVID-horn"
Mp: RBT prototype
For those who like this kind of music, this kind of music they will like |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 1102 Location: Sacramento, Ca
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:55 am Post subject: |
|
|
GordonH wrote: | To be honest, Monette mouthpieces are tantamount to cheating in terms of tone improvement and evenness of response. |
I'm not a Monette apologist and I don't use Monette equipment, but are you suggesting that using equipment that allows us to get the best result we can, or at least the result we want, is cheating?
Let's all go buy crap instruments, mouthpieces that produce thin tones and don't fit our faces so we won't be "cheating."
Sorry to come off harsh, but statements that using "Brand X" or "Model Y" equates to cheating rub me the wrong way. We select equipment because it allows us to do what we want more easily. No one wakes up and says, "I want to play a mouthpiece that sucks so I can prove I'm a real trumpeter!" _________________ -Tom Hall-
"A good teacher protects his pupils from his own influence."
-Bruce Lee |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Gordon's not saying "it's cheating" in the sense that noone should do it... It's just a hyperbolic way of saying he finds them a huge advantage over anything else.
Perhaps this is one of those nuances of English spoken on different sides of the pond...
(If I must grant that either the Scots or Americans even speak English at all . -- yes, joking before anyone takes that literally) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2004 Posts: 1102 Location: Sacramento, Ca
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
TKSop wrote: | Gordon's not saying "it's cheating" in the sense that noone should do it... It's just a hyperbolic way of saying he finds them a huge advantage over anything else.
Perhaps this is one of those nuances of English spoken on different sides of the pond...
(If I must grant that either the Scots or Americans even speak English at all . -- yes, joking before anyone takes that literally) |
Ah, ok. I can live with that.
On TPIN, a poster once explained something in a very technical way and I asked him to please explain it "in English" trying to be a bit humorous. Someone else messaged to let me let me know that he was from Germany. I sure felt like a dirtbag after that. _________________ -Tom Hall-
"A good teacher protects his pupils from his own influence."
-Bruce Lee |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
|
Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:17 am Post subject: |
|
|
Tpt_Guy wrote: |
On TPIN, a poster once explained something in a very technical way and I asked him to please explain it "in English" trying to be a bit humorous. Someone else messaged to let me let me know that he was from Germany. I sure felt like a dirtbag after that. |
Been there, so easy on message boards eh? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
pacificojunior New Member
Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 1 Location: Brazil
|
Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:52 pm Post subject: |
|
|
hummm _________________ 1st trumpet of the Minas Gerais University Symphonic Orchestra |
|
Back to top |
|
|
jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 676 Location: Southington CT
|
Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 3:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
pacificojunior wrote: | hummm |
quality first post _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
Bb: Yamaha 8310Z
C: Shires 4S/W1B
Piccolo: Yamaha 9830
Flugel: Yamaha 8315G
Cornet: York Eminence |
|
Back to top |
|
|
PW-Factor Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Mar 2009 Posts: 909 Location: Joliet, IL
|
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 6:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Out of Monette curiosity, how does the change in blow and feel of "the Monette way" factor into the comparison chart? I realize a consultation is best, but I'm curious from those that have switched.
Also, my main concern with the chinese mouthpiece shown here would be what the plating is. You know it's not gold, that's for sure. I wonder how it holds up / how it might react with certain skin types over time. _________________ Ska/Reggae - The Selectones
New Orleans Funk - The Big Lagniappe
Raw Brass HB2 - Hammond PW
Gen II ACB Doubler Flugel - Curry 5FL |
|
Back to top |
|
|
RonWilson New Member
Joined: 13 May 2018 Posts: 6
|
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Interesting |
|
Back to top |
|
|
gigigal Regular Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2012 Posts: 36 Location: ITALY
|
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
PW-Factor wrote: | Out of Monette curiosity, how does the change in blow and feel of "the Monette way" factor into the comparison chart? I realize a consultation is best, but I'm curious from those that have switched. |
Well, I switched from a Monette Prana B4S3 to a Monette Silver 4 because I need a faster response and a brigther sound. This week I will receive a B3SF7 Prana because I feel the Monette Silver 4 too tight as backbore. I love big bore.
PW-Factor wrote: | Also, my main concern with the chinese mouthpiece shown here would be what the plating is. You know it's not gold, that's for sure. I wonder how it holds up / how it might react with certain skin types over time. |
Finishing is not gold, it seem to be only polished, so not plated. Probably it has a different % of various metals from "standard" brass. _________________ Trpt: Augusto Righi GINEVRA
Flg: "COVID-horn"
Mp: RBT prototype
For those who like this kind of music, this kind of music they will like |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Voltrane Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 630 Location: Paris (France)
|
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 9:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
jhahntpt wrote: | pacificojunior wrote: | hummm |
quality first post |
May be the first of five? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|