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65strad Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 979 Location: Toms River, New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:05 am Post subject: GR mouthpieces |
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Any feedback from GR players, what you like about them etc?
I know Louis Dowdeswell play's them on his lightweight Bach 43 and sounds fantastic, and so clean. Then again he's sound great on anything.
Any characteristic positive points to consider worth mentioning?
Hope to hear from some of you. _________________ Tom
'08 Bach factory custom "one off" 43*G SN#2008
'65 Bach 181 37 SN#30836
'67 Bach 180 37 SN#39773
'70 Bach 181 37 SN#58831
'72 Bach 180S 43 SN#70503
'05 Bach VBS 196 Picc SN#560142
'07 Bach Chicago C SN#656602 |
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cbclead Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Posts: 144 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:55 am Post subject: |
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The response I get from a GR mouthpieces has been unmatched in my experience. That combined with the comfort of all of GR's rims is what convinced me to make the switch.
The consistency is another major factor. Say you settle on one rim size - different variations of cup depth feel the same on your lips, which is a huge plus.
And finally the core of the sound (overtones?) that they produce in front of the trumpet is better. I can't so much tell from behind the trumpet, but it's apparently noticeable by some of my colleagues. I made a brief switch to Bob Reeves mouthpieces (great mouthpieces also). On one of the first rehearsals with the Reeves a guy in the section said, "You sound different." I asked if it was good or bad, and he said, "Not bad, just 'different.'" I've done some comparisons since that time, and it's been agreed the GR sounds better. (Again, no knock to Bob Reeves - they make outstanding mouthpieces and some of the best players in the world play them.) _________________ Yamaha 8310Z
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TrpPro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Don't forget to check out the Northern Brass mouthpieces that are made by GR |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Mouthpieces are a very personal thing. I have had several GR mouthpieces and for me they just have a little too much resistance.
The trumpet mouthpieces I use have less resistances, respond faster and have more overtones and colour. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5860 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:09 am Post subject: |
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There is no better mouthpiece on the market. However, getting the proper fit is important. A great GR mouthpiece that doesn't properly fit both you and your horn will not necessarily be better for you than any other mouthpiece. I think that anyone who considers buying a GR needs to get together with either Gary Radtke himself or Alex Yates in Atlanta (who GR trained) to get a proper fit. Otherwise, it's a gamble just like buying any other mouthpiece. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5860 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Dieter Z wrote: | Mouthpieces are a very personal thing. I have had several GR mouthpieces and for me they just have a little too much resistance.
The trumpet mouthpieces I use have less resistances, respond faster and have more overtones and colour. |
I would say that the GR pieces you tried were not the proper fit for you and your instrument. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
JazzRetreats.com |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:22 am Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | Dieter Z wrote: | Mouthpieces are a very personal thing. I have had several GR mouthpieces and for me they just have a little too much resistance.
The trumpet mouthpieces I use have less resistances, respond faster and have more overtones and colour. |
I would say that the GR pieces you tried were not the proper fit for you and your instrument. |
They were recommended by a GR consultant.
Lie I said, it's about personal preference. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:55 am Post subject: Re: GR mouthpieces |
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65strad wrote: | Any feedback from GR players, what you like about them etc? |
Articulations. Articulations. Articulations.
No other mouthpiece brand I've ever played articulates as cleanly as GR.
When evaluating the sound, make sure you have someone listening on the other side of the bell. My (last) teacher commented that the GR mouthpieces I would play for him sounded very different when he was sitting next to me compared to when he got up and moved in front of me. |
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RussellDDixon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Mine is incredibly beautiful. I love the outer shape. Its silver with black leather interior. Has a great stereo system and will fly when you need it to. ... Like automobiles, there are many manufacturers and it is all an individual thing. Many of us play various Maynard Ferguson v cup mouthpieces which they do not produce; so, we play other brands such as Monette, James R New, Curry, Black, Patrick ad nauseum. What matters is what the mouthpiece and/ or trumpet does for YOU.
Arturo Sandoval, Allen Vizzutti, Wynton Marsalis, and numerous others dont play GR and they sound great.
See a Consultant ( if they will see you ) and try one. _________________ Schilke X3 Bb trumpet
Yamaha 631g Flugelhorn
Nicholson Monette Prana Resonance LT mouthpiece
Kanstul Claude Gordon Personal mouthpiece |
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Richard A Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 722 Location: Rhode Island, USA
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:37 am Post subject: GR Mouthpieces |
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I had a fitting session with Alexa Yates to select a mouthpiece. It was time and money well spent.
I would never have believed the impact of small changes in critical dimensions. Having a large selection to try while being supervised by someone who knows how to guide you is the key.
Randomly picking a mouthpiece is not likely to get the best one. _________________ Richard Ashmore
I am a Mechanical Engineer and have many years of Social Distancing experience. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
Joined: 26 Nov 2001 Posts: 5860 Location: New Albany, Indiana
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Dieter Z wrote: | PH wrote: | Dieter Z wrote: | Mouthpieces are a very personal thing. I have had several GR mouthpieces and for me they just have a little too much resistance.
The trumpet mouthpieces I use have less resistances, respond faster and have more overtones and colour. |
I would say that the GR pieces you tried were not the proper fit for you and your instrument. |
They are recommended by a GR consultant.
Lie I said, it's about personal preference. |
Not all GR consultants are equally skilled. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:42 am Post subject: |
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PH wrote: | Dieter Z wrote: | PH wrote: | Dieter Z wrote: | Mouthpieces are a very personal thing. I have had several GR mouthpieces and for me they just have a little too much resistance.
The trumpet mouthpieces I use have less resistances, respond faster and have more overtones and colour. |
I would say that the GR pieces you tried were not the proper fit for you and your instrument. |
They are recommended by a GR consultant.
Lie I said, it's about personal preference. |
Not all GR consultants are equally skilled. |
I think Brian Sciver is more then qualified.
I do believe that GR mouthpieces are very good mouthpieces.
As I said in my first response: Mouthpieces are a very personal thing.
And in my case another brand just gives me the sound and response I am looking for and therefore works better "FOR ME". _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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Lee Adams Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Nov 2001 Posts: 222 Location: Atlanta, Ga
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Dieter Z wrote: | PH wrote: | Dieter Z wrote: | PH wrote: | Dieter Z wrote: | Mouthpieces are a very personal thing. I have had several GR mouthpieces and for me they just have a little too much resistance.
The trumpet mouthpieces I use have less resistances, respond faster and have more overtones and colour. |
I would say that the GR pieces you tried were not the proper fit for you and your instrument. |
They are recommended by a GR consultant.
Lie I said, it's about personal preference. |
Not all GR consultants are equally skilled. |
I think Brian Sciver is more then qualified.
I do believe that GR mouthpieces are very good mouthpieces.
As I said in my first response: Mouthpieces are a very personal thing.
And in my case another brand just gives me the sound and response I am looking for and therefore works better "FOR ME". |
Just curious was this just a phone consultation with Brian or an actual play test fitting session with the master kit where the complete fitting session was done? _________________ Lee Adams 404-316-4072
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B. Scriver Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2002 Posts: 1204 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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To clarify, there are a number of GR Consultants, all trained by Gary Radtke, and all very qualified.
http://www.grmouthpieces.com/gr-consultants.html
Seeing customers in person and going through the GR Playing Tests, really eliminates any question on which mouthpiece properly matches the player and horn. Unfortunately, we can not see all customers in person and that is where our questionnaire comes in, as well as assistance over emails, video chats, and phone. We have a very good track record at matching customers this way but it is not optimum. It will only really give you a starting point in most cases. I am sure that if I saw Dieter in person, we could fix the issue.
Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Brian for the offer.
However, there is no issues. I have a set up that works great for me. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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B. Scriver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Sure thing Dieter. The most important thing here is that you are happy. GR's may not be a match for everyone and that is a good thing as we are crazy busy as it is! Haha!
Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com |
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Brian. That was exactly my point. _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
Conn 80A
F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
B&S Challenger II 3137 rl
Buescher 400 - 225 (WWII)
Benge 90C
Eastman 540 D/Eb
ACB Fluegelhorn
Selmer Picc
ACB mouthpieces for most of my playing |
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B. Scriver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Right. However, you never did have a face to face consultation. That is exactly my point.
There is only so much a consultant can do without seeing the customer play. We don't get to see how or if you engage your core, your set up sequence, your chops, your horn, etc.
By seeing you in person and testing you with our comprehensive set of tests and a complete test kit, we can determine the necessary rim contour, cup, and blow resistance to match the player and horn.
I have never had a customer in for a consultation and leave saying that his or her old mouthpiece was better. Never.
If we do not see you in person, we are just going by what you tell us which can be a very tricky situation.
All the best Dieter!
Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com |
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hose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Been playing GR since 4/17. I have better endurance and I recover from a hard day faster than any other mouthpiece I've used. It gives me an easier upper register. I "get the notes" with less manipulation. Seems to be well focused. The rim is neither comfortable nor uncomfortable. I'm not aware of the rim when I'm playing which is great! I had an email consultation with Brian Scriver and later an in-person consultation with Scott Apelgren in Melbourne, FL. Both were extremely helpful. _________________ Dave Wisner
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fraserhutch Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:15 am Post subject: |
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I recommend the consultation if feasible.
I met with Brian and, oddly enough, the meeting confirmed that the piece I was already playing worked best for me.
If nothing else, it removes all the "what ifs?"
Do it.
I have had several people comment to me that I sound better on the GR than any of the others I had in my possession. It allows me to hear the resonance and core better as well.
B. Scriver wrote: | Right. However, you never did have a face to face consultation. That is exactly my point.
There is only so much a consultant can do without seeing the customer play. We don't get to see how or if you engage your core, your set up sequence, your chops, your horn, etc.
By seeing you in person and testing you with our comprehensive set of tests and a complete test kit, we can determine the necessary rim contour, cup, and blow resistance to match the player and horn.
I have never had a customer in for a consultation and leave saying that his or her old mouthpiece was better. Never.
If we do not see you in person, we are just going by what you tell us which can be a very tricky situation.
All the best Dieter!
Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com |
_________________ Schilke B1
Callet Jazz
Scodwell Standard Bb
Roger Ingram 1600is
Wild Thing Flugel
Dillon Rotary Picc.
GR and Curry Mouthpieces |
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