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Betelgeuse215 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:10 pm Post subject: C trumpet mpc |
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For any one you that own a Bach 25A/239 C trumpet. What mouthpiece do you use on it? Curious if people mostly use stock mpcs or opened up mpcs on it. Articulation/intonation are good on the stock 1.5c that I use on it but the tone could be better. Have tried a 25 throat(bad) and a 24/24 that was ok(sound was better but lost clarity in articulation) |
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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My C trumpet originally was a 239/25A setup. The sound had decent focus, but I didn't like the pitch and need of false fingerings, despite them supposedly being "normal." I was using a Curry 1BC for a while and it had great sound and good focus. It improved when I had the leadpipe swapped with one of Dick Akright's Bel Canto Bb pipes in a reverse configuration.
You may try Curry. A stock Curry 1.5BC has a 24 throat and his Schmidt-style #2 backbore, which to me feels and looks a lot like a Bach 7, also a Schmidt-style backbore. The Curry #2 seems a bit more open than the Bach 7, but not nearly like a Bach 24.
The reason I didn't just straight up recommend a Bach 1.5B is because, while it has the #7 backbore stock, the cup is considerably deeper than a 1.5C which can get uncomfortable quickly if you're not up for it.
And to answer your initial question, none of my mouthpieces is unmodified or stock. On C I usually use a Kanstul copy of a Schilke 14 top on either a Bach 117 or 24 backbore, 24 throat. Another I've been testing is an unbranded 1.5C that has been drilled out to about a 23 throat - it has a cup profile and rim an awful lot like a Mt. Vernon 1.5C and a very open backbore that looks a lot like the backbore on a Mt. Vernon 3 in my collection. The pitch, projection and resonance are ridiculous. _________________ -Tom Hall-
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Curry 3C - 25 throat, and occassionally a Curry 3BC _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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Blue Trane Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:12 am Post subject: |
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1-1/2C 25 7 |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:26 am Post subject: Re: C trumpet mpc |
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Betelgeuse215 wrote: | For any one you that own a Bach 25A/239 C trumpet. What mouthpiece do you use on it? Curious if people mostly use stock mpcs or opened up mpcs on it. Articulation/intonation are good on the stock 1.5c that I use on it but the tone could be better. Have tried a 25 throat(bad) and a 24/24 that was ok(sound was better but lost clarity in articulation) |
Since you have a very standard mouthpiece size, and a very standard C trumpet, it should be a matter of simply matching the right piece to the right horn. Simple....right! I'd honestly look at Curry, starting witht a 1.5BC, for the reasons already mentioned. This assumes you are looking orchestral for your C trumpet playing. If solo or church work is your goal, a 1.5C Curry will perhaps be a better fit.
The man that I knew that played this combination did it with a pretty much stock 1C, and it worked out OK for him.
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
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stephensontrumpet Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Whatever feels and sounds best to you. |
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: |
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I'd also say try a Curry 1.5BC.
Another option is a Curry 1.5C with your preferred throat and his #2 backbore or his #0 backbore (which is a 117 style).
I once had a Curry 1.5C with a 23 throat and #0 backbore that was made to mimick Michael Sach's setup, and it's one mouthpiece I still kick myself for selling (I was chasing magic, you know how that is).
Also, you might like the Stork C backbore. Maybe a setup like a 2C+25C or 2B+25C would be to your liking (the 2B+25C is what Tom Rofs plays). _________________ Isaiah 40:8
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Dale Proctor Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I have a ML 239/25C setup, and after a lot of experimenting with other cups, throat sizes, and backbores, I find that mine plays best with the same Curry 3C. I use in my Bb trumpet. A Curry 3B. comes in a close second, but the intonation on some notes is not quite as good with it. _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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My Bach 239/25A L Stradivarius is my absolute favorite trumpet. I use mainly a Stork Vacchiano 4C26B. It gets a clear, powerful, colorful sound. My favorite setup and ideal sound for sure. I also use a Stork Vacchiano 4D26B to help with a lighter sound or higher tessitura, typically for chamber music. I plan on trying a 4C+26B whenever I get around to purchasing it.
A GR 65VC is also great, but definitely a different sound than what you get from a Bach mouthpiece. It's a less "present" or projecting sound without help from room acoustics, it's hard to describe. If the sound from Bach and Stork mouthpieces could be described as "dah" then the GR would be a kind of throaty, almost muffled maybe "doh". I use it for solo or chamber music when not playing with other trumpets.
I have a Curry 5BC but I get a somewhat fuzzy or airy sound due to it's large throat and/or backbore. With acoustic help it sounds fantastic but the fuzz is a pet peeve of mine. I also have a Curry 5C but I only use it for "commercial" gigs on an alternate C trumpet. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
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RandyTX Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: |
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I used to have this quandary, until I had someone turn me onto this.
http://www.brasswerks.com/id35.htm
The so-called "Reese Piece", which is a shorter-shank mouthpiece, actually made by Curry (you can see it in the blank) but sold by Ken Larson. _________________ "Music is like candy, you throw the (w)rappers away." |
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AveryCyrus New Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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The convention nowadays is towards pieces with moderate throats and big backbores but a large throat (22 or thereabouts) and smaller backbore (75) is sort of the line of thinking that Scott Laskey subscribes to |
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Dave CCM/SSO Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Trumpet World!
Just to clarify, the Laskey 75 backbore may be a bit more focused than a standard 24 backbore, but it's still an orchestral backbore. He describes it as a larger version of the Bach schmidt backbore. He originally made this for Herseth.
That's all I have to say about that!
Dave _________________ Dave
Springfield Symphony Orchestra (OH)
- www.springfieldsym.org
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Tpt_Guy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dave CCM/SSO wrote: | Hello Trumpet World!
Just to clarify, the Laskey 75 backbore may be a bit more focused than a standard 24 backbore, but it's still an orchestral backbore. He describes it as a larger version of the Bach schmidt backbore. He originally made this for Herseth.
That's all I have to say about that!
Dave |
A bit more about it...
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1501804 _________________ -Tom Hall-
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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The alternative (with my tongue firmly planted in cheek) is to keep your mouthpiece and do lots of practice, but on a different C trumpet. There's lots out there which are not a Bach... it may just work out!
cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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plunkett Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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My 2 cents... I use a Monette B4S on both Bb and C trumpets. My C is a Kanstul.
Pat _________________ Pat Plunkett |
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Betelgeuse215 Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Finally figured it out. Just needed to find a different 1.5C 24/24! |
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SJMass Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:18 am Post subject: |
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i found that any mouthpiece you like on B-flat opened up a bit is good on c. thats just me though. |
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chrisroberts New Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Exactly the same as on Bb. |
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Justin_Smith Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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For me, I use the same mouthpiece as on my Bb, with a more open throat. My Bb mp has a 26 throat, and my C trumpet mp has a 22 throat. Both mouthpieces have a pretty open backbore.
If I am playing something that tends to be a bigger blow in terms of range and endurance, I use the smaller throat (Bb mp), for example I recently played Michaels Torke "Bright Blue Music" where 85% of my part was above the staff.
I would say you should try a Bach 1 1/2 24/24 mouthpiece now they are more easily available with the new symphonic series.
Justin Smith _________________ Justin J. Smith |
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