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ethan.hp780 New Member
Joined: 02 Mar 2018 Posts: 4 Location: Bloomington, IN
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:33 pm Post subject: When is it time to change mouthpieces? |
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When is it time to change mouthpieces? |
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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When you wear all the good notes out of your current mouthpiece. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Post five......
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Sharkbaitboi Veteran Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2018 Posts: 104 Location: Antarctica Symphony
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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In the Batch factory, they have a dial that sets the number of notes per mouthpiece. The more expensive ones of course are given more notes such as the gold plated and platinum plated mouthpieces. The usual setting is at 10,000 notes. now if you get a special order one they can set it to 20,000. |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2362 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well for a serious response...
First if your current mouthpiece has a flawed rim -scratches, dings, raw brass, or the shank is worn or lopsided causing a poor fit, then there is no doubt that you need to replace it, asap.
Then if you're wondering if it's time to look for something that will help or be a better fit for you, THAT is not as simple an answer. Knowing when is tough. This is one of the many benefits from working with a knowledgable teacher. Maybe hearing something in your sound, or having the idea that your being held back can be a catalyst for searching.
Many teachers, also have mouthpieces to experiment with. I am quite often surprised by which mouthpieces my students like or find work better for them - not always what I would think would be their choice.
Start to build an idea of why you're thinking of it. Uncomfortable? Lack of tone? Upper and lower registers not responding or creating excessive back-pressure (stuffiness)?
Remember, that there are no "beginner" mouthpieces in trumpet land - generally we start with something like a 7C or 11B4 because they are mid-sized, middle of the road. There may be no reason at all to change.
For young players that are advancing, the next general step is to go a little bigger to get more chops in the mouthpiece-thus a bigger tone, more control... but easy to go to big-then you're just working too hard.
Lots of articles and opinions on this matter.. Find a trumpet teacher (preferably with one that has a box full of mouthpiece to try) and work with him/her.
good luck _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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Fun story: I had a mouthpiece just stop working pretty much overnight. I think it just ran out of notes. Without warning, I developed what sounded like a double buzz around second line G. I could make it go away some of the time with a great deal of effort, but I was wondering what I was going to do with my life.
It was the strangest thing. It sounded like a double buzz, but it didn't feel like one. It felt like nothing. It was as if there was a tiny man inside my mouthpiece singing a second note. I'm still partly convinced that there was some strange acoustical phenomenon going that had little to do with my playing.
It happened on all of my big horns. My practice routine hadn't changed and my playing schedule wasn't unusually heavy. I was more or less healthy and felt fine. There was no visible damage to the mouthpiece or horns and a good cleaning to both solved nothing.
Then I tried a different mouthpiece of the same make and size. The mouthpiece felt the same on my face but the problem went away and hasn't come back in the 10+ years since it appeared. I guess it just ran out of notes. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sharkbaitboi wrote: | In the Batch factory, they have a dial that sets the number of notes per mouthpiece. The more expensive ones of course are given more notes such as the gold plated and platinum plated mouthpieces. The usual setting is at 10,000 notes. now if you get a special order one they can set it to 20,000. |
This isn't quite true. I heard that Bach's manufacturing process is very inconsistent. As a result, some mouthpieces are set with as few as 5,000 notes, while other come with well over 30,000.
But on a more serious note, good advice from zaferis.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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rockford Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:25 am Post subject: |
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When your playing needs change. Going from full time to part time. Primarily playing in small groups rather than large bands or orchestras. Lead trumpet vs. section playing. Solo playing vs. ensemble. Retirement for ease of playing. Just looking for a better or different sound....... _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:49 am Post subject: |
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TrumpetMD wrote: | Sharkbaitboi wrote: | In the Batch factory, they have a dial that sets the number of notes per mouthpiece. The more expensive ones of course are given more notes such as the gold plated and platinum plated mouthpieces. The usual setting is at 10,000 notes. now if you get a special order one they can set it to 20,000. |
This isn't quite true. I heard that Bach's manufacturing process is very inconsistent. As a result, some mouthpieces are set with as few as 5,000 notes, while other come with well over 30,000.
But on a more serious note, good advice from zaferis.
Mike |
As they age it's really no big deal. You just have to empty the spit out more often. |
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epoustoufle Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | As they age it's really no big deal. You just have to empty the spit out more often. |
If spit is getting stuck in your mouthpiece, try using a pipe cleaner to remove the broken teeth out of the backbore. Saved me hundreds of dollars in new mouthpieces :thumbsup: |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
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jadickson Heavyweight Member
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Wednesday. |
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Al Innella Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:56 am Post subject: |
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5:30? |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:47 am Post subject: |
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Every ten minutes.
R. Tomasek |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Right after you make your first sale in the Marketplace! _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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Sharkbaitboi Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I switch between a Bach 1 and Bach 3E for orchestral sounds |
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delano Heavyweight Member
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jadickson wrote: | Wednesday. |
This one got the first prize. |
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trombino Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Every time you miss a note. |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Interestingly, I had the opposite problem. I didn't know I needed a new mouthpiece. I had used the same one on my student horn (an Olds Ambassador) and an intermediate horn (Yamaha YTR-4335), perfectly happily since the mid 1960's. I a fair amount but nothing demanding. Then I got more time and got more serious about the trumpet. That put me on a trumpet search and I wound up with a Schilke large bore horn. I wanted a more open mouthpiece. Thanks for the wonderful members of this list, I found the equivalent to my old mouthpiece, but what a difference. The smooth new rim and an immediate effect, much more comfortable to play, even though the profile was the same as my old mouthpiece. I got another and had it bored out one step to let more air through. That worked too. Now, depending on what I am doing, I tend to use one or the other of these mouthpieces.
So I subscribe to the previous comments about your needing a mouthpiece when your old one is banged up or when you need to change something in your playing. Best of luck.
Now if I could only be as lucky with a bass trumpet mouthpiece. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Bb Cornet: Getzen 800 DLXS
Pic: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Std
Bass Tr: BAC Custom
Nat. Tr: Nikolai Mänttäri Morales Haas replica |
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Sharkbaitboi Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Or go with the TH fav Curry 3C. |
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