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Brasslizard
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:13 am    Post subject: I was given a trumpet - advice/input appreciated Reply with quote

When I mentioned to a friend that I was thinking of buying a cheap plastic trumpet to play around with, she said she had a spare horn that someone gave her, and she'd be happy to give it to me. She knows I like vintage instruments with character.

I picked up the trumpet the other day. If I'm right on reading the serial number, it's a 1952 Conn. It looks like the bell is rose-brass. It has an amazing tone and is very playable. It has a matching mute that needs a little new cork.

That's the good part. The lacquer is in pretty bad shape. At least one slide is stuck. I haven't even tried to clean it, because I'm going to take it to be thoroughly cleaned on Friday, and to have the stuck slide fixed. I am planning on giving this trumpet to my youngest teenager, who is on a quest to learn as many instruments as possible and recently expressed a desire to learn trumpet.

So I will post a couple of pictures. Is this something I should consider having stripped and re-lacquered? Or should I clean it up, keep it waxed/polished, and enjoy it for the lovely character? I have an old Jupiter tuba that I am not planning to re-lacquer, as that would cost more than that horn is worth. I know nothing about what is or isn't valuable in trumpets. But the Elkhart Conn horns have a certain - something - about them.

Well, once I figure out how to use a picture hosting site. The free ones are now more complicated than they used to be.[/img]
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conn has always made good horns. To find out more about it you can go to the Conn Loyalist website.

Lacquers used in 1952 often can be removed pretty easily. Sometimes just very hot water will do it. If not, there are lots of stripper products at the hardware store.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an expert on this particular instrument but I would say, after you get it cleaned and slides unstuck, I'd leave it as is. Having it refinnished lacquer or silver will most likely change the way it plays. Additionally, I would worry about keeping it polished or shiney - an every now and then will be fine.
Then, I'd be more likely to keep this horn away from the school environs until the student has progressed to a very mature point, and can appreciate the beauty of the old nugett. Certainly not one that I'd give to a beginner - let them learn how to care for a trumpet with a new-ish beginner horn.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice from Z.

South Dakota and 1952 both resonate with me. I was born in Huron and started cornet lessons in 1952. Thirteen teachers later I’m still trying to “get good,” as Jack Sheldon used to say.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate the advice. I've been simply appreciating the beauty of my other vintage horns, even the ugly patchy lacquer on the tuba. Gives it character.

I don't think the kid will be taking this to school. Maybe to church to play with the pastor in our brass band. Kid already plays oboe, percussion, guitar, ukulele, started on trombone in a beginning jazz band (pawn shop special!). Elder teen doesn't get to take the fancy bass bone to school except for jazz band. He wanted to play it in pep band... nononono.

The pastor is the one who gave me the trumpet. She said she already has a couple, and this was given to her. I need to find out who gave her this one; I'd imagine there are some wonderful South Dakota stories to go along with it. The matching rose brass mute is gorgeous... two mouthpieces, a Vincent Bach 7C and a smaller one that I think just has a 2 or a 12 on it. That one looks like it came with the trumpet.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In your position, I'd focus on making the horn play as well as you can within a reasonable budget. Cleaning, slides, piston felts, spit valve corks,... Only if your son (or yourself) take to playing it regularly would I consider doing much with the cosmetics.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Giving your trumpet a bath Reply with quote

I have given many trumpets/cornets hot baths to remove the lacquer or the spots. Depending on the lacquer or spots more than two baths. Use a silicon cloth to coat the instrument. Works very well for me, but I don't have acidic hands.

The cornets/trumpets have a light honey colored look.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will either be a 12-B or a 14-B, both are decent horns, with the 14-B being a student horn, but still quite good.

Look on the leadpipe near where the mouthpiece inserts, for a model number.

The coprion 12-B's were basically a 22-B with a copper bell, very much a pro level trumpet, and one of the most 'in tune with itself' instruments ever made. There is no 1st slide adjustment, as the player (remember, we are talking pro quality so is expected the player knows how to lip up or down) can bend the tone in tune even on the fly.

The 3rd slide does have an adjustable loop, to compensate for low D and C#, however I have found even those can be bent with the lip to bring in tune. It is just a lot easier with the throw.

The 14B Director, while a student horn for the day, is still an exceptionally good horn. The only compromise is heavier bracing and a more resistant leadpipe, as the goal was to make it durable and easier to find pitch center.
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