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fitzy64 Regular Member
Joined: 12 Sep 2018 Posts: 30 Location: College
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:04 pm Post subject: Teaching an Almost Complete Beginner |
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Hey all,
I'm trying to teach my friend how to play the trumpet. He played an orchestra instrument throughout middle school, quit in eighth grade, and is now a sophomore in high school.
He can read music to a fair degree and is learning the fingerings at this moment, but I'm having difficulty explaining to him how to play above the first line E.
Any steps to teaching him would be great and any tips for people to increase range would also be very helpful!
Thanks,
Fitz _________________ Somewhere University, Southeast US
10 Years Experience
1967 Bach Stradivarius 37
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Please take this as advice and not criticism. The best thing you can do is to get your friend to find an experienced teacher, NOT fellow high school student.
In the past 20 years if fulll time instrumental teaching, not one student taught student I hVe met had anything like a good learning experience from their slightly older peer. Not a single one.
You could even be a buddy and buy them a lesson. Or just relay what your teacher tells you. Even then, this information may not beg what they order to progress!
Bottom line - you admit not knowing how to help them, so do not try to.
Cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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david johnson Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jul 2002 Posts: 1617 Location: arkansas/missouri
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Play the C scale focusing on go sound an relaxing. Repeatedly. Then play the scale adding the D above it. Repeatedly. Then add the Eb or even the E. Buzz it, too. Get a teacher. |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3309 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:54 am Post subject: |
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EDIT: before going any further, make sure that a proper embouchure is being used. A relevant thread is -
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=42923
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Explain that the correct pitch (and fingering) has to be buzzed into the mouthpiece from his lips.
And explain that the air being blown thru the lips is JUST to make the lips vibrate, there is NO need to attempt actual 'blowing air thru the horn'. Only that the SOUND is to be projected thru the horn to the wall on other side of the room.
Without the horn, vocalize the scale pitches by making a 'doo' sound - and tell him to pay attention to how the inside of his mouth is changing as the notes go higher (and lower).
Then WITH the horn, and make the lips produce the pitch changes instead of vocalizing - with a somewhat similar 'mouth feel'.
When a few different pitches can be sounded, then it's time to improve their sound quality - to immediately get a good tone and the correct pitch.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Del wrote: | Hi
Please take this as advice and not criticism. The best thing you can do is to get your friend to find an experienced teacher, NOT fellow high school student.
In the past 20 years if fulll time instrumental teaching, not one student taught student I hVe met had anything like a good learning experience from their slightly older peer. Not a single one.
You could even be a buddy and buy them a lesson. Or just relay what your teacher tells you. Even then, this information may not beg what they order to progress!
Bottom line - you admit not knowing how to help them, so do not try to.
Cheers
Andy |
This.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of my efforts to help a friend of mine learn to play trumpet. He wanted a good beginning book so we went shopping and I helped him find one.
He called me a few days later and said, 'Hey, Jim, this book isn't working for me. The first few pages were interesting but the rest of it is just notes."
Rim shot. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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I need help finding an existing thread about -
"What is needed to be a good trumpet teacher"
I tried the search function, but got 'lost in the weeds'. Also tried google, but not much luck there either ...
Standard advice for many players seeking improvement is to find a 'good teacher'.
I'm looking for whatever attributes the TH 'group' has agreed is the basic core skills of such a person and the list of items that the student needs to learn.
Or maybe not even specifics about a 'teacher', but what are the 'checklist' fundamental items that need to be learned as part of beginning trumpet playing.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | Andy Del wrote: | Hi
Please take this as advice and not criticism. The best thing you can do is to get your friend to find an experienced teacher, NOT fellow high school student.
In the past 20 years if fulll time instrumental teaching, not one student taught student I hVe met had anything like a good learning experience from their slightly older peer. Not a single one.
You could even be a buddy and buy them a lesson. Or just relay what your teacher tells you. Even then, this information may not beg what they order to progress!
Bottom line - you admit not knowing how to help them, so do not try to.
Cheers
Andy |
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Brad |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: |
Or maybe not even specifics about a 'teacher', but what are the 'checklist' fundamental items that need to be learned as part of beginning trumpet playing.
Jay |
I reckon it is a mindset that is ready to learn from someone who knows what they are talking about. The rest is about the length of a piece of string... or, a very, very, long post. _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Suggest your friend find a copy of “Inside John Haynie’s Studio: A Master Teacher’s Lessons on Trumpet and Life.” It will help him find the kind of teacher he needs - that we all need.
It’s available on Amazon and many public libraries. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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