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petenerch Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:19 am Post subject: Trumpet Mouthpiece Device for Sound Effect? |
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Hmmm....has anyone seen or heard of a small thin device that slips into your trumpet mouthpiece and extends into the lead pipe to create sort of a Chet Baker-like sexy sound? If so, any idea who sells these?
New one to me. :C) - Pete _________________ Peter Comerford
Alumnus: Northwestern Univ./Crane School of Music; Educational Specialist-Hickeys Music, Ithaca, NY. |
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gchun01 Veteran Member
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petenerch Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:06 am Post subject: |
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Thanks! Never heard of it before. _________________ Peter Comerford
Alumnus: Northwestern Univ./Crane School of Music; Educational Specialist-Hickeys Music, Ithaca, NY. |
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O00Joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:40 am Post subject: |
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I've always wanted to try one of those bell rings they also sell. I wonder how much difference it makes, regardless I like the aesthetic. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I have sixth grade students who get a a somewhat similar sound with no help at all.๐
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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BraeGrimes Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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You could always learn how to emulate the sound... check out players like Arve Henriksen, Jon Hassel, Nils Petter Molvaer, and Mathias Eick who play with a 'breathy' tone (I think this technique comes from trying to emulate the Shakuhachi flute rather than Chet Baker, but the manipulation of tone seems similar). |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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I do this when I play at low volumes. Heck, my teacher once thought my horn had a hole someplace and I have been working on getting a clear and non-airy tone at low volume for a long time. How do you guy do THAT? _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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deleted_user_680e93b New Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | I have sixth grade students who get a a somewhat similar sound with no help at all.๐
Brad |
was thinking the same thing !
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O00Joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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The easiest way for me to get a breathy tone is to just keep the aperture more open than usual. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
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Roland JD-Xi
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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49 Euros???? Must be solid gold. _________________ veery715
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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Brad361 wrote: | I have sixth grade students who get a a somewhat similar sound with no help at all.๐
Brad |
And on days when I'm really tired, I can guarantee an identical sound without the added expense! |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Pickles and mustard both a lot cheaper and get the same result. _________________ Jim Hatfield
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:53 am Post subject: |
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dstpt wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | I have sixth grade students who get a a somewhat similar sound with no help at all.๐
Brad |
And on days when I'm really tired, I can guarantee an identical sound without the added expense! |
Me too. I know itโs just a matter of taste, but I never liked the sound we are talking about, and I realize that itโs a specific affect for a specific style, so Chet Baker fans, donโt flip out here.๐
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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oljackboy Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:30 am Post subject: |
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I cultivate the breathy sound. In fairness, I play a lot of flugelhorn. The way I sense it is as using a lot of warm air. I try to feel as if I am intentionally putting air through my embouchure that is not buzzing. Open aperature.
It is true that it doesn't translate as well on the trumpet except in specific
contexts, such as harmon mute in close mic or playing open ballads in a small room. I can't really make it work as well above the staff unless my chops are feeling really good.
As far as liking the effect or not, it is my personal sound concept. YMMV |
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dstpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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oljackboy wrote: | I cultivate the breathy sound. In fairness, I play a lot of flugelhorn. The way I sense it is as using a lot of warm air. I try to feel as if I am intentionally putting air through my embouchure that is not buzzing. Open aperature.
It is true that it doesn't translate as well on the trumpet except in specific
contexts, ... |
I've seen/heard Arturo do this kind of thing in master classes, and I'm guessing he does this from time to time, say, on a ballad, just as Chet and others prior. I know it does not sound quite like the Whisper-Penny, but it does seem to emulate the sound that some jazz/pop/crooner singers do. The breathiness in these sounds, instrumental and vocal, I think, can be very effective. This "technique" kind of draws me into listening more...not sure why...makes it more intriguing, maybe? The W-P device seems to take it a step further and is either interpreted as a novelty that can be used and accepted on occasion, or as an annoyance. Take your pick, right?
Other links:
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Whisper+Penny+trumpet&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1411413 |
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