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BrightonY125 Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:34 pm Post subject: Mouthpiece suggestion with for people with fat lips |
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Hello everyone! I found out that I have fat lips, so I need a narrow rimmed mouthpiece right? I feel comfortable with a 3c size right now, so anything near that size is fine. Would a v-cup help too? Please suggest a mouthpiece with adequate throats, bores, cups, and all that other specifications. I went to my local music shop and they suggested Marcinkiewicz brand mouthpieces. Are Storks good as well? Thanks for your helps! |
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markwu071 New Member
Joined: 01 Jan 2019 Posts: 10 Location: Toronto Ontario
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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bach 1cw is a good piece to have for people with large lips, but the rim is quite wide. _________________ King 2055 .462
Bach TR600 student model
Bach 1.5c 22/24
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BrightonY125 Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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markwu071 wrote: | but the rim is quite wide. |
a narrow rim is what I'm looking for. I despise wide rims. Thanks anyways. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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brassmusician Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Similar situation for me, mostly a lot of thickness in the middle of upper lip though. I have found a narrow rim and wider internal diameter helpful. Stork Vacchiano 2C might be worth a look. For me at the moment the shallowish and wide Wick 3E is the answer - narrowish rim with soft bite and dark sound that doesn't break up. Some of the bach rims may also work for you if you don't mind the sharper bites. eg., 1.5C, 2/2.5. I wouldn't recommend the bach 3C.
It is worth looking at the stork website and their photos of different lip shapes and their recommendations. _________________ Cannonball 789RL
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Why narrow? Found and try a Reeves 43.5C , he makes the most comfortable rims in the market like a soft pillow đŸ˜†
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JVL Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:24 am Post subject: |
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hello
which issues do you encounter with your playing? with your current mpc?
That's the question. We can't answer about mouthpieces by itself.
Serafin Aguilar has thick lips and plays on a regular 3C, and plays great.
best |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:37 am Post subject: |
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The thickness (thin or thick) has little to no impact on mouthpoiece selection. IMO has more to do with dental structure. BUT to believe that there is some magical formula for determining good fit or what ultimately work the best for YOU is in error.
If it did, some of us would be playing on trombone sized mouthpieces and some on very small.
Our approach is to begin and grow on a mid-sized, middle of the road mouthpiece.. then practice, practice, practice. After years of that, and we get to a point that the embouchure is stable and many fundamental of trumpet playing have become reliable. We can start searching for adjustments in the mouthpiece that help us get more refined.
If you are struggling with things more than what a reputable teacher thinks is "normal" then he/she may help you look for a mouthpiece design that ftis you better.. BUT, again, there is no magic formula. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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BrightonY125 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:03 am Post subject: |
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I disagree. I have found better results on narrower rims than on my regular Bach 3C and 1 1/4 C. |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Do you mean "narrow rim" measured from inside diameter to outside diameter ?
or are you talking about the inner diameter (ID) of the mouthpiece? |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1953 Location: WI
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Assuming that you are talking about the distance between the inner and outer diameter, the Schilke 13b has a rather narrow rim (for a trumpet mouthpiece). It is very different from the usual Schilke rim, because it is an "artist series" mouthpiece designed by Frank Lisanti, a player and teacher from the Chicago area. According to the Schilke website, the inner diameter is 0.66", which is supposed to be about the same as a Bach 3C.
I play a custom-made 13B variant that is downsized 1% with respect to inner and outer diameter, and I can vouch for the fact that it has a pretty narrow rim. (I don't have a fat lip, however, although once in a great while someone offers to give me one.)
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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:01 am Post subject: |
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BrightonY125 wrote: | I disagree. I have found better results on narrower rims than on my regular Bach 3C and 1 1/4 C. |
I'm not sure what or who you are disagreeing with, but your experience represents one and only one data point. That's about as anecdotal as one can get.
The fact is, historically there is no correlation between lip size and mouthpiece size in terms of rim thickness, cup diameter or cup depth. I advise you stick with your 3C (the mouthpiece you stated you are already comfortable with) and practice your trumpet. You'll find as you get good enough, you'll be able to make pretty much any mouthpiece work okay. When it comes to mouthpiece selection, what we should be dealing with is a matter of fine-tuning. Too many players rely on an endless search for the mouthpiece that will do more than fine-tune their playing. That mouthpiece does not exist.
Now, all that said... If you have found that you like mouthpieces with thinner rims better than the 3C you wrote you are comfortable with, then I suggest you buy a Kanstul CG3 mouthpiece. It is based on the Bach 3C but has a slightly thinner rim. Here's scan comparing a Bach 3C to a Kanstul CG3:
https://i.postimg.cc/L5HWTrBx/Bach-3-C-red-vs-Kanstul-CG3-green.jpg
Bach 3C (red) versus Kanstul CG3 (green)
Best wishes,
John Mohan
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O00Joe Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Just to reiterate: https://storkcustom.com/how-your-lips-dictate-your-mouthpiece-choice/
You could even try contacting Mr. & Ms. Stork by phone or email, they are very helpful and they know their stuff. For me, they had me send pictures of myself for analysis. _________________ 1981 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Laskey 60C
2003 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork Vacchiano 4C25C
2006 Bb/A Schilke Piccolo P5-4 silver - Reeves A adaptor - Stork SM SP6
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:49 am Post subject: |
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BrightonY125 wrote: | I disagree. I have found better results on narrower rims than on my regular Bach 3C and 1 1/4 C. |
OP, now I'm curious -- what narrower rims did you try? Why don't you get whatever it was that you tried? |
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pmadsen Regular Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 92 Location: upstate new york
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried the Warburton anchor grip rim. Flat rim with well defined inner edge. |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I have it on good stead that some of the players who are shown on the Stork website (They do make excellent mouthpieces) play nothing like the sizes they are recommended.
There simply must be a judicial trial of certain mouthpieces you feel that will work. You should talk to manufacturers and see what they recommend. You've received some good advice here and some not so great advice.
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BrightonY125 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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Vin DiBona wrote: | I have it on good stead that some of the players who are shown on the Stork website (They do make excellent mouthpieces) play nothing like the sizes they are recommended.
There simply must be a judicial trial of certain mouthpieces you feel that will work. You should talk to manufacturers and see what they recommend. You've received some good advice here and some not so great advice.
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Definitely. Thanks! |
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BrightonY125 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I will send them an email. |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:14 am Post subject: |
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How is it that you found out you have "fat lips," rather than having been previously aware of it? _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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dstdenis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Trumpeters with large, fleshy lips sometimes choose mouthpieces with thinner rims, but it isn't required—it's a personal preference. The benefit is greater flexibility. The tradeoff can be less endurance. Large, fleshy lips make it easier to deal with a thinner rim in some circumstances.
Two other things to consider: how strong is your embouchure, and what kind of music do you play? You'd need a rather strong embouchure to handle a thinner rim. And it would be a more workable choice if you're playing, say, orchestral style, but probably unworkable if you're playing, say, lead trumpet in a big band.
If you're comfortable on a 3C, why not just stick with that? _________________ Bb Yamaha Xeno 8335IIS
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