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ohnecael Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:59 am Post subject: 3rd valve slide stop rod |
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Does anyone know where i can take my horn to have a stop rod put on. Its a vintage Holton 48 and the slides work great just too great to where they almost fall off half the time when im not playing and just listening to my BD talk lol. _________________ Long tones. |
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GotNoChops New Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Rubber band?
Cheap! _________________ My stable
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ohnecael Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:30 am Post subject: |
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GotNoChops wrote: | Rubber band?
Cheap! |
Lol love the idea but i was hoping for a more elegant solution than that! Gave me a good chuckle but it should help for the short term solution! _________________ Long tones. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:40 am Post subject: |
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I would think that any repair shop in your area can do this.
That being said, I second the alternative suggestion. On my horns that don't have a 3rd valve slide stop, I use a piece of twine. It simple solution that doesn't alter my vintage horns. And no tarnish from using a rubber band.
For example, my 1980 Bach CML Trumpet ...
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:50 am Post subject: |
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GotNoChops wrote: | Rubber band?
Cheap! |
Not if the horn is silver. The sulphur in the rubber will cause deep tarnish. Hair ties are often recommended. A string could also be used. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:00 am Post subject: |
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I use a Yamaha Trumpet Silicone Slide Stopper, https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Trumpet-Silicone-Slide-Stopper/dp/B01FCCYXE4 . Eleven bucks.
Some builders/techs/experienced players say adding a third-valve slide stop messes with the acoustical properties of the original design. For me the deficits of adding a metal slide stopper is voodoo acoustical science (placebo effect) but there are some very credible people taking another views. It's something to consider first, though. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
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mafields627 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:08 am Post subject: |
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ohnecael wrote: | GotNoChops wrote: | Rubber band?
Cheap! |
Lol love the idea but i was hoping for a more elegant solution than that! Gave me a good chuckle but it should help for the short term solution! |
You want elegant? Monette can sell you a $1000 hair tie for your slide! _________________ --Matt--
No representation is made that the quality of this post is greater than the quality of that of any other poster. Oh, and get a teacher! |
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ohnecael Regular Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2018 Posts: 75 Location: Fort Wayne IN
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:26 am Post subject: |
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mafields627 wrote: | ohnecael wrote: | GotNoChops wrote: | Rubber band?
Cheap! |
Lol love the idea but i was hoping for a more elegant solution than that! Gave me a good chuckle but it should help for the short term solution! |
You want elegant? Monette can sell you a $1000 hair tie for your slide! |
Not before it has a 3 month construction period _________________ Long tones. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:43 am Post subject: |
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mafields627 wrote: | You want elegant? Monette can sell you a $1000 hair tie for your slide! |
I heard the Monette hair ties come with a constant pitch center, making them well worth the $1000 price tag.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | I use a Yamaha Trumpet Silicone Slide Stopper, https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Trumpet-Silicone-Slide-Stopper/dp/B01FCCYXE4 . Eleven bucks.
Some builders/techs/experienced players say messing with braces and other add-ons mess with the acoustical properties of the original design. For me this is voodoo acoustical science (placebo effect) but there are some very credible people taking another views. It's something to consider first, though. |
I had a Schilke S42 that I stupidly decided to have the third (and first slide) rings replaced with heavy rings that Andy Taylor uses on some of his horns, strictly for the feel and appearance (stupid!)
It was done by a well known horn rebuilder in Indiana, I do NOT blame him, he just did what I asked.
I don’t know exactly why, but the horn COMPLETELY changed, it became noticeably tighter to the point of stuffiness.
No more messing with third slides for me.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Shifty Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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It may not work on every horn, but on my Conn 28A I've used two zip ties, one on the bottom of the main tuning slide and the other on the third valve slide. Clip off the excess ribbon and position the heads/pawls so that they collide when the slide is out as far as you want it to go. Don't make it too tight; you can rotate one of the tie heads out of the way to remove the slide. I'd post a picture if I could. It's much more elegant than twine... ![](images/smiles/icon_wink.gif) _________________ Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: 3rd valve slide stop rod |
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ohnecael wrote: | Does anyone know where i can take my horn to have a stop rod put on. Its a vintage Holton 48 and the slides work great just too great to where they almost fall off half the time when im not playing and just listening to my BD talk lol. |
Mark Metzler, right there in your state. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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GotNoChops New Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:15 am Post subject: |
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No Rubber Bands on Silver.
Check!
And, Thank You for the better tip! _________________ My stable
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Do you know if that works on Yamahas? Thanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Rapier232 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha do a silicon band, which doesn’t discolour silver trumpets. If you look at any of Trent Austin videos you can see them in use. _________________ "Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be".
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gchun01 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: |
Do you know if that works on Yamahas? Thanks. |
Those look like copies of the retainers on Getzen's back in the 1980's. Don't know if they still issue them today's models. I bought one of the Getzen retainers to use on a Bundy and had to open up the size of the holes to fit properly. It all depends on the size on the braces used on the Yamahas. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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GotNoChops wrote: | No Rubber Bands on Silver.
Check!
And, Thank You for the better tip! |
Be careful if you use hair ties also, I used one that was rubber underneath the outer cloth cover, apparently because it was stretched the rubber must have contacted the silver and left permanent black marks on the silver of my Benge.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, gchun01. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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