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LSOfanboy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:31 am Post subject: Lotus trumpet mouthpieces? |
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Hi,
Does anyone know anything about the new Lotus trumpet mouthpieces? They have been teased for a while, and I believe Adam has been taking them round a few places for people to try.
The official release date must be fairly soon, but I wondered if anyone had any information in the meantime?
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wiemelen Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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They are for sale now in stores apparently.
So hopefully it won't take long for someone to write some nice reviews.
Must say their descriptions sound promising ... but don't they all _________________ Trumpet : Yamaha YTR-9335CHS + Yamaha YTR-6335H
Trumpet mouthpieces : Lotus 2L (main) + Lotus 2L2
Flugelhorn : Kanstul 1525 with Curry 1,5FL
Cornet : Conn 80a (1919) with Curry 1,5 BBC + Curry 1,5 VC + GR L66,9 #6 |
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wiemelen Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like the Lotus mouthpieces are officially launched
https://www.lotustrumpets.com/mouthpieces/ _________________ Trumpet : Yamaha YTR-9335CHS + Yamaha YTR-6335H
Trumpet mouthpieces : Lotus 2L (main) + Lotus 2L2
Flugelhorn : Kanstul 1525 with Curry 1,5FL
Cornet : Conn 80a (1919) with Curry 1,5 BBC + Curry 1,5 VC + GR L66,9 #6 |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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It's refreshing to see profanity used to sell instruments. It definitely helps. I wonder why other horn and mouthpiece makers don't use it more? _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
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FDC05 Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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I have known Adam for about 15 years. This product line is his dream. He is being 100% himself in his design and marketing approach. His promo videos, his website, are all him. Take or leave it. Is it the best marketing to use profanity on your website? Not for the general population. But, that's Adam. If you get together with him, that's what you will get. Definitely not for everyone, and a turnoff for some. But, I appreciate the honestly and genuine nature of his approach to the company.
I have, conversely, met with top name performers and manufacturers that were SO off-putting because the way they present themselves was MUCH different than what you got in person. _________________ Mark |
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Video is unavailable? |
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wiemelen Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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video's are not online yet ... but the pdf describing the mouthpieces are _________________ Trumpet : Yamaha YTR-9335CHS + Yamaha YTR-6335H
Trumpet mouthpieces : Lotus 2L (main) + Lotus 2L2
Flugelhorn : Kanstul 1525 with Curry 1,5FL
Cornet : Conn 80a (1919) with Curry 1,5 BBC + Curry 1,5 VC + GR L66,9 #6 |
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LSOfanboy Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:16 am Post subject: |
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All the videos have been uploaded today.
I'm a huge fan of Adam Rapa's playing, ever since he burst onto the scene a decade ago he has pushed the limits of performance and equipment.
However, I find something about this initial media release a bit distasteful. The unfortunate fact is that, without proper evidence and player endorsement (granted this can take some time), its simply the owner of a company making hyperbolic claims about his product and, slightly irritatingly, broadly dismissing all other products on the market.
I don't even need to try these mouthpieces to make this statement: mouthpieces are incredibly subjective and these new mouthpieces will appeal to some, and a great many others will buy one and end up leaving it in the cupboard. Having Adam relentlessly spouting his miracle claims throughout the video series does become a little tiresome, and I am sure the more experienced players on here will be rolling their eyes in frustration.
Adam sounded absolutely incredible on the Monette trumpet and mouthpiece he was happy to promote for many years, when the youtube count suited him. Now he moves to this new venture (good luck to him) and has said everything he can to sell it, but the simple truth is that he actually isn't sounding vastly better or accomplishing more advanced feats than he used to on his older equipment. I'm full of admiration for his energy, drive and ability but do wish he would move away from this over zealous sales approach.
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acritzer Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I watched some of the videos. In all honesty, it sounds quite a bit like Monnette's mouthpiece claims although presented in a slightly fresher way.
Perfect intonation. Easier upper register. Etc, etc. |
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trompette229 Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:44 am Post subject: |
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Is there a working link to video or descriptions? |
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acritzer Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I found them on the Lotus Trumpet Youtube channel. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:25 am Post subject: |
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@LSOfanboy. Well said. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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wiemelen Veteran Member
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amuk Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:33 am Post subject: Mouthpiece sound |
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Hate to say it, but I think the Yamaha sounds better to my ear than any of the Lotus pieces. BUT, if the Lotus were significantly easier to play, as Adam suggests, I'd go for one of his. |
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:11 am Post subject: |
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jetjaguar wrote: | It's refreshing to see profanity used to sell instruments. It definitely helps. I wonder why other horn and mouthpiece makers don't use it more? |
I would never buy one because of that. Completely unnecessary and poor taste in my opinion. _________________ Isaiah 40:8
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Gottfried Reiche Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:56 am Post subject: |
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jaysonr wrote: | jetjaguar wrote: | It's refreshing to see profanity used to sell instruments. It definitely helps. I wonder why other horn and mouthpiece makers don't use it more? |
I would never buy one because of that. Completely unnecessary and poor taste in my opinion. |
Better stay away from playing any Richard Wagner, while you're at it.
It IS possible to love the art without loving the artist... |
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jaysonr Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Gottfried Reiche wrote: | jaysonr wrote: | jetjaguar wrote: | It's refreshing to see profanity used to sell instruments. It definitely helps. I wonder why other horn and mouthpiece makers don't use it more? |
I would never buy one because of that. Completely unnecessary and poor taste in my opinion. |
Better stay away from playing any Richard Wagner, while you're at it.
It IS possible to love the art without loving the artist... |
I can always count on you.
I don’t see Wagner the same as using profanity deliberately on your website to sell trumpet mouthpieces. Sorry. _________________ Isaiah 40:8
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:10 am Post subject: |
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I can cuss like a sailor but I've seen over the decades, from some, a certain mongrelization of public conduct. I still believe in the adage that there's a time and a place for everything although, admittedly, that context can be up for interpretation.
I don't think profanity has any place in public ad promotion that kids and the general public would read. I also don't think the old saw that kids have heard a lot worse excuses bad behavior. Hearing it, even using it in inappropriate contexts, is no excuse. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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Gottfried Reiche Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:20 am Post subject: |
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jaysonr wrote: | I don’t see Wagner the same as using profanity deliberately on your website to sell trumpet mouthpieces. Sorry. |
Look, I'm not condoning his use of profanity. I wouldn't do it. But to make THAT the reason you "would never buy one" is a little silly. Especially when it might be a fantastic mouthpiece.
There are a lot of mouthpiece and trumpet makers out there that are total d-bags, yet we still buy their equipment. I can't stand the guy who made the mouthpiece I'm currently playing on. I won't mention who it is, but he is loudly hyper-conservative on social media and has offended me on more than one occasion. But dang his mouthpiece is awesome. |
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nowave Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Mouthpiece sound |
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amuk wrote: | Hate to say it, but I think the Yamaha sounds better to my ear than any of the Lotus pieces. BUT, if the Lotus were significantly easier to play, as Adam suggests, I'd go for one of his. |
+1 on the sound of the Yamaha.
Really appreciate this kind of back-to-back sound test - with the understanding that it's just one data point with one particular player, horn, chop setup, familiarity with the equipment, etc. It's still interesting however.
One oddity is that the deepest cup seems to have more highs in the sound than all of the other Lotus pieces, and a more secure high register. |
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