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BronsonP New Member
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:55 pm Post subject: Multiple tonguing |
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Any tips? I’ve been having a struggle on this for years. |
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epoustoufle Veteran Member
Joined: 07 Nov 2015 Posts: 233 Location: France
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Grow multiple tongues? |
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LSOfanboy Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:55 am Post subject: |
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1) Split the Tuh (or Duh) and Kuh (or Guh) up and practice them independently to get the attack you want.
2) Always spend some time working on multiple tonguing very slowly
3) Keep a constant and smooth airflow
4) Never try to rush. Speed will come with practice and evenness.
5) Listen to some examples of quality multiple tonguing so you can get a sound concept in your head and know what to aim for. Here are a few short videos of live playing, all with their own unique approach to double tonguing, to start you off:
Sergei Nakariakov, whom many people consider to be the greatest practitioner of multiple tonguing. https://youtu.be/_WUR_5eikd0
Maurice Andre, a sublime mix of technical perfection and musical sound to his multiple tonguing. https://youtu.be/jLLSfBOwMRM
Wynton Marsalis, in his younger days he was truly one of the greatest classical players of all time, now he holds that accolade for Jazz playing. https://youtu.be/0-jDld11jhw
And a couple of young players who I've seen in videos recently:
Ruben Simeo, a Spanish prodigy who studied with Maurice Andre. https://youtu.be/NHRQDsgUsS8
Selina Ott, an incredible young player who just won the ARD competition. This video is from a few years ago, but still provides a great example of double tonguing with clarity and direction. https://youtu.be/aS_uOqozxsk
Alex Brain, I confess I don't know anything about this guy, but I saw this video about a week ago (and I shared it on this site) and I think it is another good example of clear and controlled double tonguing, in the high register too. https://youtu.be/j94TaakHeVE
Hopefully that provides a useful starting point to help you develop both your physical tongue control and also develop your musical expectation regarding multiple tonguing.
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solo soprano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2012 Posts: 856 Location: Point O' Woods / Old Lyme, Connecticut
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Is there a good online written explanation of the physical tongue / throat / whatever movement that is supposed to be done for the Ka / Kuh . For me, it seems the amount of movement when I attempt it is extreme, and that amount of movement takes a long time to alternate between Ta & Ka.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:59 am Post subject: Re: Multiple tonguing |
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BronsonP wrote: | Any tips? I’ve been having a struggle on this for years. |
Private lessons. Seriously.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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scott@95603 Veteran Member
Joined: 29 Mar 2013 Posts: 102 Location: N. California
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Multiple tonguing |
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BronsonP wrote: | Any tips? I’ve been having a struggle on this for years. |
Based solely on my experience, my guess is that you play with an overbite, which is to say that when you play the horn, your bottom teeth and your upper teeth are not evenly aligned. If that is the case, you might be articulating the K sound farther back on the roof of your mouth, probably near its highest point (like saying KAR). The distance and height your tongue must travel when you try to double tongue makes it much harder, if not impossible, to articulate cleanly, rapidly, and repeatedly.
If you play with your upper and bottom teeth even, you can articulate the K syllable in a more forward area where the roof of your mouth is lower, resulting in less movement and a much shorter distance that your tongue must travel to articulate the T K syllables. With your teeth aligned properly, you might also need to drop your jaw a bit more to give your tongue more room to maneuver.
Of course, if you don't play with an overbite, you can ignore my thoughts. _________________ Schilke B3 '78
Olds Special '56
Kanstul Chicago flugelhorn
English Besson cornet 1893
Kanstul 1530 cornet |
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