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Dark Knight Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:45 am Post subject: Mel Bay's Jazz Trumpet Studies |
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Greetings. I know zero about playing jazz. I love it but never really tried to play it. I picked up Mel Bay's Jazz Trumpet Studies. It is a very appealing introduction that is seems to be very well organized and something I can wrap my mind around given the other voluminous material out there. It would logical to have an accompanying CD to hear how the phrases are played to learn the style. Does anyone know of anyone who has done this? For example, many people have tackled exercise material for other method books on YouTube which provides good stylistic/technical examples of how it should be done.
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DK _________________ I learn from my mistakes. I can repeat them perfectly every time. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:47 am Post subject: |
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If your question is about Mel Bay Method, can't help you. If it's about expanding your horizons, Aebersold's Vols. 1, 2 and 54 are a good place to go. So is Jerry Coker's little Primer, Improvising Jazz.
And this has been mentioned many times before. Jazz is an aural art. Listen voraciously. Go to live performance situations. Support your local musicians. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Dark Knight Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Yes. That post is wonderful. The OP has it correct. Getting into jazz is overwhelming. My main focus is to play what is written on the page stylistically correct with all the articulations and embellishments. The Mel Bay book is very incremental working towards improvisation. I do listen to jazz voraciously and love it. But, it "would have been" great if there was a CD or Youtube recordings so I could listen to how the phrases and short pieces are played to match what I am hearing with what I am reading to then immediate and learn.
DK _________________ I learn from my mistakes. I can repeat them perfectly every time. |
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rockford Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Posts: 2477 Location: Northern VA
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Mel Bay's Jazz Trumpet Studies |
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Dark Knight wrote: | Greetings. I know zero about playing jazz. I love it but never really tried to play it. I picked up Mel Bay's Jazz Trumpet Studies. It is a very appealing introduction that is seems to be very well organized and something I can wrap my mind around given the other voluminous material out there. It would logical to have an accompanying CD to hear how the phrases are played to learn the style. Does anyone know of anyone who has done this? For example, many people have tackled exercise material for other method books on YouTube which provides good stylistic/technical examples of how it should be done.
Best Wishes,
DK | Mel Bay had a knack for making learning materials that are fun and accessible. I think the book was originally written before cd’s were commonly available but the explanations are pretty good. Getting together with a good teacher that has experience working with new people on jazz is really a must. This does not necessarily need to be a trumpet player. Anyway, you touched on the frustrating truth that many Jazz education materials are simply so overwhelming or demanding that most players eventually give up. While learning licks and tunes in 12 keys and memorizing hundreds of tunes is a noble endeavor it’s just not practical when starting out. As for listening, early Louis Armstrong is always a great place to start. There are several transcribed solo books available with his recorded solos that are great to study. Play along with the old Hot 5, 7 or whatever and keep it simple. There’s way too much of the “look what I can do on trumpet” crap out there and not enough focus on making an enjoyable solo for people to listen too. Keep it simple. Good luck and have fun with it. _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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Dark Knight Regular Member
Joined: 02 Mar 2011 Posts: 74 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Rockford,
I think this is probably my path off least resistance least I get overwhelmed. I thought I saw something similar on qPress where the transcribed solos and listening examples were part of a bundle but I had wanted something simpler but it seems to be the way to go to get started.
The other sticky post suggested was indeed very good but for after I can get a sense of the style.
DK _________________ I learn from my mistakes. I can repeat them perfectly every time. |
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PH Bill Adam/Carmine Caruso Forum Moderator
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Check out the trumpet volumes of Jim Snidero's "Jazz Conception" series. I think that is what you are looking for. _________________ Bach trumpet artist-clinician
Clinical Professor of Jazz Trumpet, University of Illinois
Professor Emeritus of Jazz Studies, Indiana University Jacobs School of Music
Faculty Jamey Aebersold Jazz Workshops 1976-2019
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:00 am Post subject: |
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And Lenny Niehaus' Jazz Conception if you'd like to learn jazz patterns and how they can be varied. Caveat: they're written for saxophone so can get high for trumpet. Excellent books but that depends on your chops. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Dark Knight Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Thanks,
I will look those volumes up.
DK _________________ I learn from my mistakes. I can repeat them perfectly every time. |
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sergeybondarev Veteran Member
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GotNoChops New Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2019 Posts: 7 Location: Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:28 am Post subject: Something I am working on. |
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I got a very basic book called The Jazz Method for Trumpet by John O'Neill and Steve Waterman off Amazon.
The reasons I like this book are that first I am building chops so a method in the lower register works for me. The book comes with a CD that has lots of Jazz easy progressions to improv on. There are some Blues, BossaNova, 40's kind of stuff and probably more. It is an easy method and that is the point. I wanted to learn the styles, not worry about the High C etc. Most every key is covered which can be challenging. I still trip on the Cb's and the E#'s but I am enjoying it.
On the other hand- This book does go pretty far.
pg 85
chord progression
Dm7 G7 Cdim7 Fdim7 Bm7b5 E7 Am6 Am6
...~give each chord a 4 count and improv with just the chord notes~
I hope this helps you.
Still,
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 7:06 am Post subject: |
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You must be a pretty advanced learner. I find this book full of things to think about as well as play. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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GotNoChops New Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2019 Posts: 7 Location: Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:59 pm Post subject: Something I am working on. |
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So there you go!
This book will take you from your first Low C to being a bit advanced. _________________ My stable
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