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Every solo from Clifford Brown and Max Roach



 
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TrumpetGillespie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:26 pm    Post subject: Every solo from Clifford Brown and Max Roach Reply with quote

Hi All,

Finished another big project about 2 months ago. Every solo from Clifford Brown transcribed and played along to by memory from "Clifford Brown and Max Roach." I really like all these solos. The genius of CB speaks for itself.

https://youtu.be/gNp2dM5ailQ

I also did every solo from "Study in Brown" last year which is around youtube page as well. You can find here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLInlkk1qjjWQfzhUggej_t1Q7J-tDODX4

Thanks for listening! I learned a heck of a lot! Wish I could meet Clifford...I love jazz trumpet!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great job - thanks for sharing!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really nice playing, Mike! I would NOT have the patience...

It would be nice to have access to print copies of your transcriptions. I have print transcriptions of some of Chet Baker's solos, among others, but not of Clifford Brown's. I hope you are planning of publishing this work in print form.

Thanks for posting this!

Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a big accomplishment and you sound great.

I've often wondered about the long term value of transcribing and memorizing solos. It seems to me that one objective is to ultimately play solos in the style of the soloist being transcribed.

Clark Terry had a three step process to learn improvisation: Imitate, Assimilate, Innovate. Here's a link to an article on this topic:

https://www.jazzadvice.com/clark-terrys-3-steps-to-learning-improvisation/

Transcribing and memorizing solos is part of the "Imitate" step. This is something that seems to be universally encouraged by jazz studies programs and I've known many students who have done this. However, when on their own playing a solo I've yet to hear any of them who sounded anything like the soloist they transcribed and memorized. When we've discussed this they have freely admitted that the transcribing and memorizing didn't carry over to transform their own style into anything even remotely similar to the style of the soloist they transcribed and memorized. This admission is typically accompanied by some degree of surprise and frustration. Many players ultimately question the value of transcribing and memorizing, at least as a method to transform their style to something similar to the soloist they transcribed and memorized.

It's apparent that the "Assimilate" step did not happen with these players and in my experience that is the case with virtually 100% of the players who do this. To their credit, these players are very forthcoming about their failure to assimilate through this process. There is typically a certain element of disillusionment that accompanies this admission. It's not the result that was expected when the project began.

So, I'm curious to know from the OP how much, if any, this has transformed his style into something similar to Clifford's style, note selection, rhythm patterns, concepts, ideas, etc. when he's on his own playing a solo and would ask him to share his thoughts on this topic.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJNJ7ChuC8

Some assimilation !

But not servile imitation, and he his a big fan of Clifford.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4SbL0vT1Gc
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fredo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJNJ7ChuC8

Some assimilation !

But not servile imitation, and he his a big fan of Clifford.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4SbL0vT1Gc


Agreed. There is a lot of Clifford influence here!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every note ever recorded by Clifford Brown is being transcribed by Erik Veldkamp and can be found right here.

26 Albums have been completed so far, some are 3 and 4 disc sets, too. An incredible achievement of transcribing!


boog wrote:
Really nice playing, Mike! I would NOT have the patience...

It would be nice to have access to print copies of your transcriptions. I have print transcriptions of some of Chet Baker's solos, among others, but not of Clifford Brown's. I hope you are planning of publishing this work in print form.

Thanks for posting this!

Dave

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
Transcribing and memorizing solos is part of the "Imitate" step. This is something that seems to be universally encouraged by jazz studies programs and I've known many students who have done this. However, when on their own playing a solo I've yet to hear any of them who sounded anything like the soloist they transcribed and memorized.


The big problem is that a lot of young players transcribe but they treat the solo like a book etude. They start transcribing directly to paper before they really know the solo aurally. You've got to immerse yourself with the recording to the point of singing every note of the solo with accurate pitch, style, and inflection. THEN and only then do you start to learn the solo by ear. Also, you have to know the chord changes of the song the solo is over on the piano and know exactly what progression each and every phrase is over. You'd get a lot more results from taking one great ii-V7-I lick from a solo and learning it in 12 keys (and come up with variations) than just taking a entire solo and playing it from start to finish without breaking it down. This is what Bill Evans meant when he would say "Practice the minimum."
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