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NYTrumpet2018
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Here is a list of trumpets I am interested in, all are in good shape and all around the same price range. Can anyone give me any reasons why a trumpet on this list should not be looked at? I am speaking of quality of trumpet, parts, etc, ease of play, etc...not how it sounds because I know that depends on many different factors.
Conn constellation 6B 61
Conn Constellation 36B 1966-67
Conn Constellation 36B 1980
Conn Constellation 38B 59-60
Benge LA 3X 83
Benge UMI Eastlake 90B 83
Martin Imperial 60-61
King Master Model 22
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| You can skip the UMI Benge. |
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Paraphrasing, "I knew Benge and those, sir, are not Benges."
I can speak to the Connstellation 38Bs,
There is a difference between the 50s-60s Connstellations and later ones. I would only use the 50s/60s Connstellations. To whit - easy to play, small-medium bore feel. i.e. a little push back. Slightly heavier and built like a tank. If you want some references,
Don Jacoby - different styles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXzw7Llhpk&t=1075s
Tom Harrell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFz278S8tGo
Chet Baker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HaniVNSn6c&t=13s
Although they're a more commercial horn. my trumpet teacher, who studied with Schilke, played one as first trumpet in the Honolulu Symphony. I used it in classically oriented bands and ensembles at the U.H. and North Texas. No one ever said anything.
Today, if I were concentrating on symphony and strictly legit ensembles, I'd use another horn. But it is versatile.
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Manuel de los Campos
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Chet Baker didn't like his Connstellation, neither do I like them, I prefer the 22B Victor or NYS
Benge UMI can be good instruments, If there is a match between you and the Umi go for it
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| Liberty Lips wrote: | | You can skip the UMI Benge. |
I would probably do likewise.
Brad
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| Manuel de los Campos wrote: | | Chet Baker didn't like his Connstellation |
Why do you say this Manuel? Can you refer to an interview or other source? Thanks.
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| Manuel de los Campos wrote: |
Chet Baker didn't like his Connstellation, neither do I like them, I prefer the 22B Victor or NYS
Benge UMI can be good instruments, If there is a match between you and the Umi go for it |
"Down Beat" jazz magazine did a feature interview with Chet Baker in the mid 1980s and when they asked him about equipment he said "I really like Conns, but they're so expensive." This was after he lost the use of his Connstellation (for what ever reason- you fill in the blanks) and he was playing a Buescher Aristocrat student model. Chet sounded great on the Connstellation and recorded several albums with it.
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| Gotta say. I love my Selmer Claude Gordon trumpet. Definitely requires more air. But amazing sound |
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| plankowner110 wrote: | | Manuel de los Campos wrote: |
Chet Baker didn't like his Connstellation, neither do I like them, I prefer the 22B Victor or NYS
Benge UMI can be good instruments, If there is a match between you and the Umi go for it |
"Down Beat" jazz magazine did a feature interview with Chet Baker in the mid 1980s and when they asked him about equipment he said "I really like Conns, but they're so expensive." This was after he lost the use of his Connstellation (for what ever reason- you fill in the blanks) and he was playing a Buescher Aristocrat student model. Chet sounded great on the Connstellation and recorded several albums with it. |
I thought Chet said he liked Martins but had become too expansive end so switched to the Connstellation...
I might be wrong ! or perhaps he said the same thing going from che Committee to the Connstellation to the Aristocrat...
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Trumpet list |
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| NYTrumpet2018 wrote: | Here is a list of trumpets I am interested in, all are in good shape and all around the same price range. Can anyone give me any reasons why a trumpet on this list should not be looked at? I am speaking of quality of trumpet, parts, etc, ease of play, etc...not how it sounds because I know that depends on many different factors.
Conn constellation 6B 61
Conn Constellation 36B 1966-67
Conn Constellation 36B 1980
Conn Constellation 38B 59-60
Benge LA 3X 83
Benge UMI Eastlake 90B 83
Martin Imperial 60-61
King Master Model 22
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If you pick it up and don't like the way it plays, you've scratched one off the list. Only way I know of to test a horn.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:03 am Post subject: trumpet list |
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| Quote: | I thought Chet said he liked Martins but had become too expansive end so switched to the Connstellation...
I might be wrong ! or perhaps he said the same thing going from che Committee to the Connstellation to the Aristocrat... |
| Quote: | | Chet Baker didn't like his Connstellation, |
Actually, in an interview in one of the Chet Baker biography books they asked him ..."of all the horns he's played which was his favorite"? HIS ANSWER..."the Connstellation...BUT...it was too damn heavy"!!!
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Manuel de los Campos
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I recall my quote, I found in the book 'Chet Baker, memories to a lyric trumpet player' from Jeroen de Valk:
"Chet Baker found the Connstellation expensive and heavy in weight and not flexibel in the higher register but he liked its dark sound in the low and middle register"
Sorry guys for bothering you 
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Although I have not played one, it is my understanding that a Martin Imperial from the 50's and 60's is a student line horn. I had a Handcraft Imperial for a while. Now that's a nice horn.
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| mike ansberry wrote: | | Although I have not played one, it is my understanding that a Martin Imperial from the 50's and 60's is a student line horn. I had a Handcraft Imperial for a while. Now that's a nice horn. |
They were marketed as the intermediate model.
There are some specific models within these that are excellent.
If you can find one - Martin Imperial Dual reversed tuning slide from the 1950's is an excellent choice. I'd skip the 60's Imperial unless it was this version.
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I would stay away from any Benge (named) horn made in '83. I had a 36b Conn from 62 and that was what people describe. Kind of heavy, but it had a big projecting sound and it was built like a tank. Which for a middle school kid as I was at the time was good. I know people that had the 38b and liked them, alot. And, I just think the later Benges aren't like Benges anymore. That's just MHO is all.
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Manuel de los Campos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:44 am Post subject: Re: trumpet list |
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| blbaumgarn wrote: | | And, I just think the later Benges aren't like Benges anymore. That's just MHO is all. |
That much is true though that doesn't make them necessarely second choice horns.
The later Benge trumpets (UMI) are more mainstream instruments rather than the discriminating https://www.everythingtrumpet.com/gearhead/Images/BengePriceListBack.GIF
originals.
I once tried a mod. Leonore 90B and that was a hell of a trumpet
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| plankowner110 wrote: | | Buescher Aristocrat student model |
I go away for a while, and this is still being spoken of as if it's truth?
Buescher never made a "student model". Period. Bach did with the Buescher name on it.
Everyone marketed horns to students in the 60s because there were so many of them!
Because the Bach 37 is the most prevalent horn in schools today? Clearly a student horn.
Tom
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| Skip them all, save your money and buy a new professional horn. |
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| delano wrote: | | Skip them all, save your money and buy a new professional horn. |
Excellent advice.
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| OldSchoolEuph wrote: | | delano wrote: | | Skip them all, save your money and buy a new professional horn. |
Excellent advice. |
But what if a professional buys a student horn....does it become a professional horn? 
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