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napoorsocapo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:22 am Post subject: Bach 7C Vernon |
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Does anyone know the Bach 7C Vernon mouthpiece? Differences with the Bach 7C? |
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1735 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:46 am Post subject: |
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Honestly... It depends.
There's no single Bach Mt Vernon 7C (I've seen atleast two radically different cup and rim designs on Mt Vernon 7C pieces).
There's no single post-Mt Vernon 7C either (it's changed several times since then).
So... Which Mt Vernon? And which post Mt Vernon Bach 7C? |
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tristanpthomas New Member
Joined: 24 Jun 2019 Posts: 5
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Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:46 am Post subject: |
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So I have one of each.
I found the last generation of 7Cs to have a rather narrow rim with a sharp bite and a deeper bowl shaped cup. My Mt.Vernon has a noticeably wider rim, but feels like the same inner diameter as most 7Cs. The cup had the same shape, but it was marginally shallower. The bite was very forgiving and almost felt like cushion on my plush lips. The cup was textured different in the fact that it had tooling marks. The cups were shaped by hand back then, which is why Mt.Vernons vary so widely in consistency. It’s not terrible that they varied in consistency though. It allowed for some unique pieces to be in circulation and if you get lucky to find one that suits you, it can really change your mind about the “7C”. After all, size is just a number and the feel should out weigh anything that’s stamped on the mouthpiece. |
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napoorsocapo Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:04 am Post subject: |
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I don't know exactly, it seems narrower and less deep than a 7C.
I think it's from the '60s |
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scottfsmith Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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All the Mt. Vernon 7Cs I have seen are like that, narrower and less deep. A very different mouthpiece than the later eras. Not sure when the design changed exactly.. _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Just for information the Schilke 11 started out as a copy of a Mount Vernon 7C used by Bud Herseth. The mouthpiece he played on before he switched to bigger mouthpieces. It sounds a lot like what is being described here. I have never used one but I had a colleague who used one for D trumpet and I tried it out a few times. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
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Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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Pete Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2001 Posts: 1739 Location: Western Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject: Re: Bach 7C Vernon |
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napoorsocapo wrote: | Does anyone know the Bach 7C Vernon mouthpiece? Differences with the Bach 7C? |
I assume you mean Mt. Vernon 7C. I have one as well as a newer Bach 7C. They are totally different from each other. The rims are different the cups are different and the backbores are different.
The Mt. Vernon 7C that I have has a flatter and wider rim and a cup that is a bit more shallow with less undercut.
Pete |
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Jdeforke New Member
Joined: 16 May 2019 Posts: 5 Location: Austin Texas
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:17 am Post subject: What kind of 7c mouthpiece is this? |
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Hello, I inherited my dad's trumpet and I'm getting ready to list it on the marketplace. It's a Bach Mount Vernon Stradivarius with original case and mouthpiece. This is the mouthpiece, 7CW, can anyone tell me about it? Thanks for the info. Photos here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNzAs7rM4d4CDcro7[/list][/b] _________________ Thanks for looking. I'm a string player who inherited her father's trumpet. I've had it unofficially appraised and want it to go to a good and loving home where it will be played. |
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scottfsmith Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:23 am Post subject: |
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It has a wider rim than a 7C but is otherwise the same. The 7CW was popular in the Mt. Vernon era, but not since then. _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
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