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mickael57280 New Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:12 am Post subject: Can sleep apnea mouthguard affect playing? |
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Hi, I have a mouthguard for sleep apnea that I wear on night since 1 year and since then I started to develop weird things like air leak at corners, incapacity to start a note when no rhythmic context and sensation that my lips are spread out.
If anyone have had similar experience or have suggestion I appreciate.
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JVL Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 894 Location: Nissa, France
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:50 am Post subject: |
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hello
of course it may be : this device in your mouth, the contact with the material, the products that your inhalate... all this can affect your lips, tissues, muscles, and general capacity, not to talk about your apnea...
you should investigate with a doctor having knowledge in brass playing
good luck
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Miketpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:35 am Post subject: |
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I tried a mouth guard a few years ago for snoring and bailed after one night since it changed the alignment of my jaw. Didn’t want to take any chances!
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mickael57280 New Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:28 am Post subject: |
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That's exactly what I'm fearing, especially because I want to make a living out of it. |
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Don Herman rev2 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:43 am Post subject: |
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You might want to consider the impact apnea will have on your playing and overall health as well as how the mouthpiece may impact your trumpet playing. For all we know the jaw shift could end up helping in the long run. In the short run I would discuss it with your doctor and trumpet teacher who are better qualified to asses your situation than a bunch of internet blokes.
IMO - Don _________________ "After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music" - Aldous Huxley |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:54 am Post subject: |
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I've been using a CPAP with a nose pillow for years with no issues except for much better sleep and a much happier wife. |
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lakejw Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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I've been a lifelong sufferer of TMJ mis-alignment, and recently started using a grind guard at night as well. While I can say that I have had some great personal success at dealing with my TMJ pain and tension, everyone's story with that is going to be different. My jaw is in a different place now than when I was learning to play in college, and there was definitely an adaptive period for my chops during that adjustment.
Since starting to wear a grind guard at night a couple years ago, I haven't experienced too much change in how my chops feel or respond. But I have started applying chapstick at night, especially in the winter, to keep them from drying out.
I would be interested to see/hear you warm up and talk about how you're dealing with this adjustment in your routine. I think it's extra important during this period to spend plenty of time focusing your response and ease of tone production. Forcing the issue is not going to make it better. _________________ New Album "ensemble | in situ" on Bandcamp
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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | I've been using a CPAP with a nose pillow for years with no issues except for much better sleep and a much happier wife. |
Yeah, just try using a different rig like Ed mentions... these just go under the nose and wouldn't mess with jaw alignment, etc. _________________ MH |
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bean_counter Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Is your mouth guard prescribed by a doctor, or a do it yourself approach? If DIY you should definitely consult a physician and get a sleep study and CPAP if needed. If your doctor prescribed the mouth guard, you should follow up with your concerns.
I realize insurance companies are getting tough on CPAP prescriptions as so many have been purchased and then never used by patients that can’t get used to them. I have been a CPAP user for 25 years and I’m still on ‘probation’ with my insurance for my new machine for 6 weeks. They’re afraid I won’t use it _________________ Kevin Mc
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GizB Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I started using a CPAP machine a few years ago, with no ill effects to my playing. I have a style that fits over the nose and gently forces air into your nostrils. It took about 20 minutes to get used to it, but I REALLY wanted and needed it to work. Here's something similar to my device:
https://www.apriadirect.com/cpap-kit-nasal-wisp-fabric-frame-res
I sleep much better (and so does my wife!), and don't have the midafternoon sag. A curious side effect is that I no longer suffer with heartburn or acid reflux. I kind of had it under control by changing some eating habits and using antacids, but would still have occasional incidents. I've only had one incident of acid reflux in about 3 years. Here's an article on apnea & reflux:
https://aasm.org/study-finds-that-cpap-therapy-reduces-acid-reflux-in-people-with-sleep-apnea/
You've got to figure that anything that improves the quality and amount of sleep has benefits to your life & trumpet playing. The long-term negative effects of sleep apnea are very scary. |
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Forte Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Can sleep apnea mouthguard affect playing? |
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mickael57280 wrote: | Hi, I have a mouthguard for sleep apnea that I wear on night since 1 year and since then I started to develop weird things like air leak at corners, incapacity to start a note when no rhythmic context and sensation that my lips are spread out.
If anyone have had similar experience or have suggestion I appreciate.
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It depends on how it works. Does it pull the lower jaw forward by pushing back on the upper jaw? This is how many of the sleep apnea appliances work. Over time, this can push the upper jaw back and further reduce tongue space and cause various problems.
Do you notice that you have more of an overbite than before?
Here's a video of an orthodontist talking about appliances that pull the lower jaw forward and how they can be detrimental over an extended period of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG2khF7AX94 _________________ If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly. |
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mickael57280 New Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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It's a mouthguard molded on my jaw by my dentist.
It's a resmed narval cc. |
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yassin3 New Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:36 am Post subject: |
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If you have cold or mid-nasal congestion, nostril collapse or deviated septum due to allergies, nasal strips sleep apnea assistant may help in
drastically reducing loud snoring since nasal passageways open up. However, if your throat and soft tissues collapse during sleep, sleep apnea nose strips may not help that much.
A study was done by the American Journal of Rhinology on 50 applicants of which 30 had sleep apnea found that nasal strips sleep apnea assistants are ineffective in lessening sleep apnea. _________________ hello world |
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Ancientram Regular Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2019 Posts: 86 Location: Fairborn OH USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:04 am Post subject: Sleep Apnea |
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I had a sleep study done at a local hospital back in 2011, maybe earlier. The morning after they established the pressure prescription for my machine, I woke from six hours sleep and felt like an entirely new man. I've used the machine every night since and it has improved my life about 100 percent. I think I'm using the same nose piece others have mentioned. There's been no negative effect on my chops.
Get rid of that thing that's messing with your mouth, get and use a CPAP. You'll be glad you did.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:40 am Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | I've been using a CPAP with a nose pillow for years with no issues except for much better sleep and a much happier wife. |
Same here. For decades. Nose pillow, yes. One wife and one significant other not. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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