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DJtpt31 Veteran Member
Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Posts: 308 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:43 pm Post subject: Amazon mouthpiece convert |
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tempted to pick up a mouthpiece from Amazon and take it to a repair shop to get it altered to something I could actually use. _________________ "You need F-15's..." Joe Biden |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:35 am Post subject: |
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??? Nobody is going to stop you |
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mdarnton Veteran Member
Joined: 08 Mar 2019 Posts: 122 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Since they are cheap as dirt, I bought a few to experiment with, drilling them out, etc. Though they might look alike, there seems to be a real underlying inconsistency, in that some work great, some not at all. One had an entirely wrong taper. On the other hand, they are cheap as dirt. :-) |
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scottfsmith Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2015 Posts: 474 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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I bought one with an eye to modding but it was impossible .. cup was super shallow but the throat entrance was so wide & deep that I would need to add metal even for a deep bowl. True junk! _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
Lots of vintage trumpets and mouthpieces |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ok.....I guess. Personally I think that would be more trouble than it’s worth, with a less than great chance of a good outcome. Heck, you can buy a Bach 3C on Amazon for about 55.00, I would be more inclined to at least start with a decent mouthpiece. If I was going to do this....which I wouldn’t.😎
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8921 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Have at. But I can't imagine sinking money into anything other than an already good piece that I'm trying to optimize. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8344 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | Ok.....I guess. Personally I think that would be more trouble than it’s worth, with a less than great chance of a good outcome. Heck, you can buy a Bach 3C on Amazon for about 55.00, I would be more inclined to at least start with a decent mouthpiece. If I was going to do this....which I wouldn’t.😎
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If you want to be more affordable, I have found the Blessing mouthpieces to be very nice playing pieces. I actually like the Blessing 3C better than the current Bach 3C and played on it for a while. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2350 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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..because there's a lack of mouthpiece makers that know what they're doing???
don't waste your money.. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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DJtpt31 Veteran Member
Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Posts: 308 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Partly I'm curious about taking a cheap mouthpiece and getting it altered into something I could use. Particularly the "heavy" mouthpieces. The risk becomes that because they are cheaply sold the specs would be disproportionate that correcting this would cost more purchasing a brand new Monette, GR, Best Brass, Giddings. I'm guessing my only loss would have been spending $15 on Amazon and $3.99 on shipping to my desired mouthpiece shop. _________________ "You need F-15's..." Joe Biden |
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Mike Prestage Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 722 Location: Hereford, UK
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Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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If you can find someone who's willing to attempt this at all, they're surely going to charge you for their time spent assessing the mouthpiece to work out the possibilities for improving it.
Mike |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:10 am Post subject: |
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Mike Prestage wrote: | If you can find someone who's willing to attempt this at all, they're surely going to charge you for their time spent assessing the mouthpiece to work out the possibilities for improving it.
Mike |
This.
Hey, if the OP wants to try this, have at it. I still think it will be an exercise in futility, but whatever!
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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jvand678 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Apr 2007 Posts: 809 Location: TX
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:50 am Post subject: |
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the blank is only a tiny portion of the mouthpiece cost. Most of what you're paying for is the makers' expertise and time. Although it might sound fun, it will definitely cost you more than buying a mouthpiece you can actually use directly from the maker.
Best of luck. _________________ Joe Vandiver |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8921 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:14 am Post subject: |
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DJtpt31 wrote: | Partly I'm curious about taking a cheap mouthpiece and getting it altered into something I could use. Particularly the "heavy" mouthpieces. The risk becomes that because they are cheaply sold the specs would be disproportionate that correcting this would cost more purchasing a brand new Monette, GR, Best Brass, Giddings. I'm guessing my only loss would have been spending $15 on Amazon and $3.99 on shipping to my desired mouthpiece shop. |
Understand that every time a pro mouthpiece shop modifies your piece that it's going to cost anywhere from $25 to $75 per modification. How many mods are you likely to try before you've out spent the cost of a Monette or a GR piece? And after any significant modification you'll have to pay to have it replated. Don't get me wrong, I have the greatest respect for the guys that do this well, and the price they charge is not at all unreasonable.
Just a suggestion, instead of trying to turn some cheap unknown mouthpiece into a player, why not buy into a modular system and experiment with different combination of rim, cup and back bore. The parts you don't like you can simply resell. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart |
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1853 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:57 am Post subject: |
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The good news - with two of those $5 faux Mega mouthpieces and a length of chain you have a dandy manrikigusari for your karate class.
I admit I purchase some of the cheap plastic mouthpieces to experiment with changing the rim. No need to re-plate.
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I would, however suggest that a previous posters suggestion to go to a modular mouthpiece system gives you a lot of options and will get you closer to your ideal piece. |
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DJtpt31 Veteran Member
Joined: 02 Dec 2015 Posts: 308 Location: SoCal
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Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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very interesting feedback. It would be a neat experiment to see if an unbranded amazon heavy mouthpiece could be altered for use without costing nearly as much as some of the major brands like Monette, GR, Bob Reeves, GR. If the cost came close or exceeded purchasing a mouthpiece new from one of the mentioned brands than definitely not worth doing. Maybe another concern that was not mentioned is the quality of the metal that is being used by these unbranded mouthpieces? _________________ "You need F-15's..." Joe Biden |
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harryjamesworstnightmare Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 167
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Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2019 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Buying something cheap, modifying it, sounds like a deal. It is not! You'll likely end up spending more money an another mouthpiece unless your goal is to learn how to modify them yourself. Then it's just the cost of learning. If you want to save money then put a little aside at a time until you have enough for the mouthpiece you want. Everything else is just a money pit. This is my opinion based on 57 years of experience. _________________ Brian James
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King Super 20 Symphony
Bach Strad 43 Sterling Silver Plus
Getzen Proteus
Yamaha 6335HS
Olds Super
Olds Mendez
Getzen Custom 3850 Cornet
Conn 80A
Getzen Eterna Flugelhorn |
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