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adagiotrumpet
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider myself rather progressive. However, we are now seeing the results of helicopter parenting and rewarding behavior and performance whether or not it is good, bad, or indifferent. If anyone has any doubt about the ramifications of this, just visit an Apple Store like I did this past Sunday and experience the behavior of the millenials "working" there. They all seem to be engrossed with their iPhones and iPads, oblivious the customers looking for help. When brought to the attention of the manager, also a millenial, the response was basically, "Yeah, I know."

The point is, this kind of political correctness has produced a generation of self-centered, entitled young people. Life unfortunately has its disappointments, and whether it's sports, musical performance, or any other activity, rewarding mediocre, unprepared performances doesn't do anyone any favors.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got two "kids" who are the product of the German educational system. Secondary schools are divided into three type schools.

The first, with minimum years, for those kids aimed at entry-level basic jobs.
The second, a year longer and geared towards those intending to go into the trades.
A third, an extra two years, for those heading for university and the professions.

Not as much loss of self-esteem because of the separate groups.

Here's my point. My daughter went directly to the university bound group. No doubt. But my son, because of his lack of self-esteem, worked his way through all the groups. He could've ended his education at any level with a minimum of loss of esteem. (As it turned out, he wound up in university anyway.)

But if he had gone to the university-bound class and had to drop out, it would have been a big loss of his confidence. They don't kiss anybody's butt and yet keep their esteem because of being classed with their own peers.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my district most performers are awarded IIs, and the other few get Is. Ive only ever heard of one III. Ones are definitely not just given out, which is refreshing, but a 1 is realistic for students with good ability and understanding. Doesn't have to be perfect.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: reality rant Reply with quote

maynard-46 wrote:
These decisions that individuals make with young children have MANY ramifications, good AND bad, as they continue in life. IMO...telling them the TRUTH and helping them with their problems is the best course of action for them going forward.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brad361 wrote:
It’s just middle school, and it’s about keeping a student interested and enjoying music, I totally get that.

Brad


I was an adjudicator at the National Trumpet Competition's Middle School division in 1997, and "it's just middle school" holds absolutely zero weight.

When the competition started, a little blonde girl came in and played the Arutiunian right out of the gate. I was floored (and I swear she wasn't much bigger than her trumpet)! From there I heard some Haydns, Hummels, a Goedicke, and a couple more Arutiunians. The bar was set amazingly high, to say the least.

Maybe the adjudicators at your competition were basing their ratings on the the rep played by the player?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JGulyas wrote:
Brad361 wrote:
It’s just middle school, and it’s about keeping a student interested and enjoying music, I totally get that.

Brad


I was an adjudicator at the National Trumpet Competition's Middle School division in 1997, and "it's just middle school" holds absolutely zero weight.

When the competition started, a little blonde girl came in and played the Arutiunian right out of the gate. I was floored (and I swear she wasn't much bigger than her trumpet)! From there I heard some Haydns, Hummels, a Goedicke, and a couple more Arutiunians. The bar was set amazingly high, to say the least.

Maybe the adjudicators at your competition were basing their ratings on the the rep played by the player?


Ok, but I’m not sure if we can equate a local middle school solo contest with the national trumpet competition middle school division.

I did get an interesting perspective from a band director here yesterday, we were discussing this. In the case of one particular student, he said it is possible that the judge, not knowing the student’s track record, might have given the benefit of the doubt because he thought the performance was affected by nervousness. It’s possible, but this particular judge also wrote “you are so talented!” on MULTIPLE score sheets.

In the long run, I would probably prefer that a student be “given a break” over receiving a rating that might discourage them enough to lead to a decision to quit, especially when we are dealing with adolescents, who sometimes don’t really begin to “catch on” until high school. But I do believe that present day attitudes regarding kids, that they should never experience any discomfort, results in adults who are not equipped to handle real world life in later years. Forget about trumpet playing, it’s LIFE that they need to be ready for.

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