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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:28 am Post subject: Zooming Together |
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Our 7-piece band is fooling around with Zoom as a way to jam during the Covid-19 emergency.
We're not making much music yet but having fun trying to set things up so we can.
Anyone got tips on how to maximize results? We have a variety of devices, both Apple and Android, as well as lighting environments. I think one guy must live under a bridge. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 1015 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Have you actually tried this with success? Other platforms always had too much delay to play together. I experienced Zoom for the first time this week, but it was a meeting - voices - and that seemed to work OK.
- following _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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We had three guys in the meeting. No delay. Audio was decent. Going to try to get the rest involved this weekend. The price was right: Free. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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Riojazz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 1015 Location: Mid-Hudson Valley, NY
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Cool. Many thanks.
Good luck, and let us know how it works. _________________ Matt Finley https://mattfinley.bandcamp.com/releases
Kanstul 1525 flugel with French taper, Shires Bb Destino Med & C trumpets, Schilke XA1 cornet, Schagerl rotary, Schilke P5-4 picc, Yamaha soprano sax, Powell flute. Sanborn GR66MS & Touvron-D. |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 725 Location: SE US
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Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Interestingly, I had a get together with 4 close friends this morning using Zoom audio and video. We have met most Friday mornings for more than a decade face to face in a local restaurant. With the current restrictions, we gave Zoom a try from our homes. It was study and conversation for about an hour with the interaction much like live with no apparent delays or freezes. Based on that one experience, I would think that it would work well for other applications. I would be most interested to see how your experience turns out!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2053 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:11 am Post subject: |
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zooming together sounds like a song title ... _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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Wrms Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still hoping that someone has tried a combo rehearsal with this.
I occasionally teach with Skype and while it works fine for that, there's too much delay to play duets, so that's out.
Has anybody put musicians and their instruments to the test using Zoom irl?
Mark _________________ A bunch of trumpets
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A bunch of cornets |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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We plan to get our 7-piece trad group together on Zoom on Sunday 3/22/20. Will keep you posted.
Meantime, my wife had a TGIF party on Zoom last night with ten friends and said it was almost like their usual gathering without the travel. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have been on several music related Zoom sessions. There was some delay. It was particularly apparent when someone was using a metronome. If you are all close and have good Internet connections, it might be better. All of my uses have had people on different continents, so there definitely is some delay.
Will be very curious about how this goes. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Standard
Bass Trumpet: BAC Custom
Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales |
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of getting people on different continents together to play...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph1GU1qQ1zQ _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:42 am Post subject: |
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We tried Zooming some tunes with trumpet, cornet, soprano sax, guitar, tuba and there was too much lag. Plus the free version of Zoom cuts you off at 40 minutes.
All the players live in the Chicago area so I don't think distance was the problem. We were all using different devices with different ISPs so maybe that figures in.
We're going to explore other online possibilities because there's no telling how long we're all going to be cooped up. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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mdarnton Veteran Member
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the information about jamkazam and soundjack. Very interesting stuff considering the latency in most other communications platforms more geared to meetings and visuals than music. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Standard
Bass Trumpet: BAC Custom
Natural Tr: Custom Haas replica by Nikolai Mänttäri Morales |
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Wrms Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Here another possibility; https://jammr.net/
Mark _________________ A bunch of trumpets
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Jammr looks interesting. Has anyone tried it? What about the plug-in mic recommendation on the jammr website. _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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scottfsmith Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2015 Posts: 474 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:43 am Post subject: |
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How does Jammr sync? There is a fundamental issue of the speed of computers and the speed of light which can't be overcome. If everyone is just playing to the metronome and not listening to the other players it could work. Another way that could work is if you are hearing the other players on the previous take when a new take is made. But I don't see any description of this on their website. _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
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mike ansberry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Gonna give jamkazam a try. _________________ Music is a fire in your belly, fighting to get out. You'd better put a horn in the way before someone gets hurt. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8914 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:53 am Post subject: |
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jhatpro wrote: | We tried Zooming some tunes with trumpet, cornet, soprano sax, guitar, tuba and there was too much lag. |
I read a post that suggested some of the lag may be due to the app trying to compress and reduce noise. Supposedly there is a option to defeat these enhancements that may reduce the lag. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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jhatpro Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Just downloaded JamKazam which looks promising altho you need an audio interface and a long ethernet cable. Just popped for those items on eBay for under $100. Looking forward to some worldwide jamming! _________________ Jim Hatfield
"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus
2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle |
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