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Thomas2516
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:56 am    Post subject: What trumpet to use Reply with quote

George Vosburgh, in a syllabus he prepared for Carnegie Mellon University (https://www.scribd.com/document/353088926/Major-Studio-Trumpet-Vosburgh-pdf), listed his suggested trumpets for specific repertoire. For example, he likes to use a rotary D trumpet for Beethoven 2, 6, 7 and 9.

Has anyone else published a similar list? Is there some sort of standard practice as far as what key trumpet to use on a particular piece of repertoire? And if one wanted to follow Mr. Vosburgh's taste as closely as possible without purchasing a rotary D trumpet, would it be better to play the Beethoven symphonies mentioned on a piston C trumpet or a piston D?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot depends on the conductor. I heard Herseth, in the '60's, using his regular C trumpet on Beethoven 5. The Minnesota Orchestra was using Schilke medium bore C7's to stay within the conductor's parameters. I wouldn't sweat it until you are on a gig and the expectations are clear.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ed. Appreciate your response. Hard to be patient these days, but usually a good idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those can be done on c or d trumpets, piston or rotary. I’d personally opt for a piston C over a piston d for those, but use whatever gets the job done best.

If I had money to shell out, a D rotary would be wonderful, especially Beethoven 7 and 9, Brahms 2, and maybe 3rd trumpet on something like Royal Fireworks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My trumpet teacher was an orchestral principal trumpet for 25+ years. I only ever saw him use C trumpet (Bach 229A) or picc (Yamaha, don't know the model). Everything was also on a 1C (sometimes a smaller piece for picc). That's one way to do it, I guess!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. Sounds like there might not be a standard practice, more of an individual thing. I guess I'll try out the horns I have, pick a favorite and then work with the maestro when we eventually get together.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking with my conductor hat on, I really don't care what one plays, until it sounds wrong. The audience is much of the same mind.

When thinking of the best instrument for the job, this is a vastly different matter but again the conductor's job is not to pick your trumpet, reed, bocal or brand of string. If it sounds duff, then the player had better sort it out quick smart.

When I select my instrument for X gig, I think of what the rest of the group is playing (original instruments, or not for example) and who is in the section. Are they playing a rotary of piston trumpet, Bb/C etc. Also the work(s) on the program. Sometimes even logistics, like can I carry ll that on stage, or can I just use 1 horn for it all?

Next time you get told to use a certain instrument, try the conductor out, se if he/she can tell the difference!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are the principal, use what works the best sound wise. keep the conductor out it. if you are not principal, do what the principal tells you to do. jw
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For orchestral section or for the soloist?

For solo, would not the score determine which trumpet? Haydn is supposed to be played in Eb using an Eb trumpet, no?

For orchestral, the de facto standard in the USA is now the C trumpet, no? The change from Bb to C occurred in the latter 1960s? Together with A moving from 440 to 442? A pity, imho, as the timbre of Bb trumpets at A440 is superior to my ears. There was a time ago when conductors would determine whether Bb or C horns for the section, so I had to have Bb and C horns ready to go.

In my case, the principal would accept Bach horns only for the section, and in silver. For the audition, I had to play perfectly using a Bach 1.5C : a 3C received a wrinkled nose, and a we'll call you. In those days ago, Bach was pretty much the only brand to give the right sound, consistently. Nowadays, things are very very different, and for the better.
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