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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:18 am    Post subject: 1st and 3rd valve slides Reply with quote

As a former trombone player, it was a no-brainer for me to use slide cream (I personally use superslick) on my trumpet slides when I first switched over. It has always worked extremely well and I never really gave it a second thought until recently. I was cleaning my horn the other day and it got me thinking... I actually have no idea what other trumpet players use, even after nearly 20 years lol.

So... what do you use to lubricate your slides?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Mineral Oil from the drug store. It doesn't 'goop-up' like some greases. And if any clothes get stained, just rub a little hand soap into the strain and launder as usual.
Plus no smell, and non-toxic (in the small quantities involved).

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
I use Mineral Oil from the drug store.

That reminded that, when I didn't have any money, I used a mix of 3&One Oil and kerosene, LOL.

I use BERP. Excellent oil and a little longer lasting than others. And BERP has oils for pistons, tuning slides and valve slides as we...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in high school and college, I also used Superslick on my trumpet slides. Nowadays is use Hetman lubricants. I use Hetman #8 on most slides. I use Hetman #8 thinned down with Hetman valve oil on my fast slides (like #3 valve slide).

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old school was to use Vaseline and then cut it with valve oil until you get a workable consistency. These days a lot of folks substitute other slide greases or lanolin for Vaseline. I hate this method.

Not sure when it dawned on me to try it but I now use Bach rotor oil for my 1st and 3rd and it works great. Some other rotor oils are thinner than I prefer.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the horn is in daily use, cleaned often, and maintained meticulously, medium valve oils work great.

If, however, it may be sitting around for a while, then something that won't dry and build-up is preferable. Lanolin cut with valve oil is optimal from a performance and renewability perspective, plus if it sits for a decade, it comes loose with heat. The problem is, it stains everything.

Middle of the road is a stabilized grease, like lanolin in bees wax - Schilke slide grease being a good one - which can then be tuned a bit with light valve oil. This has an expiration date however after which it takes effort to get things back in good order. It does come close to cut lanolin in ease of playing while not staining everything, but it needs to frequently be renewed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using Spacefiller TS for decades. It is very compatible with the Spacefiller valve oils. Spacefiller Ultimate I is the standard weight oil and Ultimate II is for tight valves. The TS and Ultimate I are still relatively easy to find, but Ultimate II has been very difficult to acquire since the Covid disruption.

I put 2 horns in storage after oiling and greasing beforehand and both horns still had valve and slide motion right out of the case after almost a decade, though motion was a little sluggish until cleaned and reapplied.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use Superslick but now I use Hetman's #4.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Eterna Classic's 1 and 3 slides work great with the black tub Herrco grease.

The Proteus, that's a little thick for, so Monster's slide oil.

The Tone Balanced Super Deluxe Copra-Temp? Who needs slides to move, anyway?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject: Valve Oil Reply with quote

Since my horn is about 72 years old, I have been using " Hetman Synthetic Classic Piston - Lubricant 3 Valve Oil "

I use it on my slides also, works for me.

Works great on my old horn.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schilke slide grease...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For 1st and 3rd slides, I apply Spacefiller TS and then dribble on Zaja (cinnamon scented) slide oil. Really slick, rather long lasting combination.

If I couldn't find the Zaja slide oil anymore, I would substitute valve oil.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetmans 5 for me. 4: too thin, slides catch sometimes. 6: too slow on the motion. 5: juuuust right!

Some horns occasionally need some 4 or 6 but nearly always 5 is the best for me.

While going on about Hetmans I just got some of the new-ish 7.5 for stationary slides. So far so good.. I am hoping it stays around a bit longer than the 8 which I had been using.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schilke slide grease. Comes in little pots, maybe 1/2 oz or so. Got my first one in 1969 when I bought my first Schilke at 529 S. Wabash. Think I've bought maybe 3 or so more since then...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super Lube, synthetic grease (PTFE)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m using some new product called resilience oils which try to prevent dis-similar metals from reacting to each other. Dis-similar metals cause strange types of corrosion and oxidation that can contribute to reduced tolerances (lots to read about this in engine forums). The oils are very fast and I have seen slide stains start to fade while using it last 6 months. It’s totally synthetic and really works quickly if you clean valves and slides prior to use, it likes clean surfaces. I recommend highly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ultra-Pure, regular on most slides, heavy on ones I don't want moving.

Creamy and the right thickness, long lasting, no odor.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DISCLAIMER: WHILE I USED STP AS A LUBRICANT ON MY HORNS FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE RESEARCHED A LITTLE, AND STP NOW CONTAINS A ZINC ANTI-WEAR ADDITIVE, SO I CAN'T RECOMMEND USING IT ON TRUMPETT NOW. MAYBE I CAN FIND A MORE "PURE" SUBSTITUTE. MY STORY IS JUST A RECOLLECTION THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO LUBE A HORN!!!

Way back in the dark ages, about 1973, I started using STP oil treatment on the slides on my Bach ML 37 Strad cornet. It is not bad smelling. Back then,
I did all my basic maintenance on our cars, and would save the STP bottles after draining it into the motor oil filler. There was always a fair amount of the STP on the walls of the bottle, so I'd set it upside down in my workroom overnight, ant then carefully let it ooze into a salvaged empty 2 oz valve oil bottle. I still have a few of those salvaged bottles of STP. It lasts pretty well, and you can dilute the third and first slide tubes with a little valve oil and they stay pretty slick. I used it on several of my horns up until the early 200's. It the late 70's, I was a small town band director with basically no budget, and used the STP on our large brass, too. If you maintain your horns, the slides don't stick over the summer, even in a hot storage room with no A/C on the hot Texas plains.

At my age, I gave up maintaining my fleet of various internal combustion engines, and have switched to Hetman's on the regular players and Selmer Slide grease and Blue Juice on the collectors that aren't used much.

IF YOU MISSED MY DISCLAIMER ABOVE, NOTE THAT STP NOW HAS AN ADDITIVE THAT I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO PUT ON SOMETHING SO NEAR MY ORAL CAVITY!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:53 pm    Post subject: 1st and 3rd slides Reply with quote

Automatic transmission fluid.
Really, back in 1967 Frank Hosticka recommended it. I bought a can and still have some left.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, first story never has a chance. What flavor Automatic Transmission fluid? Ford type or Dexton/Mercon back in the 70's, anyway. Today's stuff is likely different, as well. That stuff has additives and detergents out the wazoo, I'm pretty sure, and smells worse than STP, for sure. I spent all summer pumping the Dextron through my boat hydraulic system, and is just pumped it out.
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