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soulfire Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 334 Location: NJ
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:18 am Post subject: 1st and 3rd valve slides |
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As a former trombone player, it was a no-brainer for me to use slide cream (I personally use superslick) on my trumpet slides when I first switched over. It has always worked extremely well and I never really gave it a second thought until recently. I was cleaning my horn the other day and it got me thinking... I actually have no idea what other trumpet players use, even after nearly 20 years lol.
So... what do you use to lubricate your slides? _________________ Chris |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3329 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:37 am Post subject: |
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I use Mineral Oil from the drug store. It doesn't 'goop-up' like some greases. And if any clothes get stained, just rub a little hand soap into the strain and launder as usual.
Plus no smell, and non-toxic (in the small quantities involved).
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9071 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:58 am Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | I use Mineral Oil from the drug store. |
That reminded that, when I didn't have any money, I used a mix of 3&One Oil and kerosene, LOL.
I use BERP. Excellent oil and a little longer lasting than others. And BERP has oils for pistons, tuning slides and valve slides as we... _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
"I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis." Attributed to Chet
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2424 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Back in high school and college, I also used Superslick on my trumpet slides. Nowadays is use Hetman lubricants. I use Hetman #8 on most slides. I use Hetman #8 thinned down with Hetman valve oil on my fast slides (like #3 valve slide).
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8921 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Old school was to use Vaseline and then cut it with valve oil until you get a workable consistency. These days a lot of folks substitute other slide greases or lanolin for Vaseline. I hate this method.
Not sure when it dawned on me to try it but I now use Bach rotor oil for my 1st and 3rd and it works great. Some other rotor oils are thinner than I prefer. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2455
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:49 am Post subject: |
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If the horn is in daily use, cleaned often, and maintained meticulously, medium valve oils work great.
If, however, it may be sitting around for a while, then something that won't dry and build-up is preferable. Lanolin cut with valve oil is optimal from a performance and renewability perspective, plus if it sits for a decade, it comes loose with heat. The problem is, it stains everything.
Middle of the road is a stabilized grease, like lanolin in bees wax - Schilke slide grease being a good one - which can then be tuned a bit with light valve oil. This has an expiration date however after which it takes effort to get things back in good order. It does come close to cut lanolin in ease of playing while not staining everything, but it needs to frequently be renewed. _________________ Ron Berndt
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2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 732 Location: SE US
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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I've been using Spacefiller TS for decades. It is very compatible with the Spacefiller valve oils. Spacefiller Ultimate I is the standard weight oil and Ultimate II is for tight valves. The TS and Ultimate I are still relatively easy to find, but Ultimate II has been very difficult to acquire since the Covid disruption.
I put 2 horns in storage after oiling and greasing beforehand and both horns still had valve and slide motion right out of the case after almost a decade, though motion was a little sluggish until cleaned and reapplied.
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
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kevin_soda Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2015 Posts: 558 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I used to use Superslick but now I use Hetman's #4. _________________ Kevin |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2013 Posts: 621 Location: Oakville, CT
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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My Eterna Classic's 1 and 3 slides work great with the black tub Herrco grease.
The Proteus, that's a little thick for, so Monster's slide oil.
The Tone Balanced Super Deluxe Copra-Temp? Who needs slides to move, anyway? |
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Avan Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Jan 2012 Posts: 396 Location: Ventura County, CA
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:59 pm Post subject: Valve Oil |
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Since my horn is about 72 years old, I have been using " Hetman Synthetic Classic Piston - Lubricant 3 Valve Oil "
I use it on my slides also, works for me.
Works great on my old horn. _________________ 1948 Selmer GP
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Shark01 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Schilke slide grease... |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2167 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:53 am Post subject: |
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For 1st and 3rd slides, I apply Spacefiller TS and then dribble on Zaja (cinnamon scented) slide oil. Really slick, rather long lasting combination.
If I couldn't find the Zaja slide oil anymore, I would substitute valve oil. |
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scottfsmith Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2015 Posts: 474 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Hetmans 5 for me. 4: too thin, slides catch sometimes. 6: too slow on the motion. 5: juuuust right!
Some horns occasionally need some 4 or 6 but nearly always 5 is the best for me.
While going on about Hetmans I just got some of the new-ish 7.5 for stationary slides. So far so good.. I am hoping it stays around a bit longer than the 8 which I had been using. _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
Lots of vintage trumpets and mouthpieces |
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Craig Swartz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 7770 Location: Des Moines, IA area
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Schilke slide grease. Comes in little pots, maybe 1/2 oz or so. Got my first one in 1969 when I bought my first Schilke at 529 S. Wabash. Think I've bought maybe 3 or so more since then... |
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 392 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Super Lube, synthetic grease (PTFE)
-Denny |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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I’m using some new product called resilience oils which try to prevent dis-similar metals from reacting to each other. Dis-similar metals cause strange types of corrosion and oxidation that can contribute to reduced tolerances (lots to read about this in engine forums). The oils are very fast and I have seen slide stains start to fade while using it last 6 months. It’s totally synthetic and really works quickly if you clean valves and slides prior to use, it likes clean surfaces. I recommend highly.
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2350 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Ultra-Pure, regular on most slides, heavy on ones I don't want moving.
Creamy and the right thickness, long lasting, no odor. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
Bach Trumpet Endorsing Artist
Retired Air Force Bandsman |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 711 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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DISCLAIMER: WHILE I USED STP AS A LUBRICANT ON MY HORNS FOR MANY YEARS, I HAVE RESEARCHED A LITTLE, AND STP NOW CONTAINS A ZINC ANTI-WEAR ADDITIVE, SO I CAN'T RECOMMEND USING IT ON TRUMPETT NOW. MAYBE I CAN FIND A MORE "PURE" SUBSTITUTE. MY STORY IS JUST A RECOLLECTION THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO LUBE A HORN!!!
Way back in the dark ages, about 1973, I started using STP oil treatment on the slides on my Bach ML 37 Strad cornet. It is not bad smelling. Back then,
I did all my basic maintenance on our cars, and would save the STP bottles after draining it into the motor oil filler. There was always a fair amount of the STP on the walls of the bottle, so I'd set it upside down in my workroom overnight, ant then carefully let it ooze into a salvaged empty 2 oz valve oil bottle. I still have a few of those salvaged bottles of STP. It lasts pretty well, and you can dilute the third and first slide tubes with a little valve oil and they stay pretty slick. I used it on several of my horns up until the early 200's. It the late 70's, I was a small town band director with basically no budget, and used the STP on our large brass, too. If you maintain your horns, the slides don't stick over the summer, even in a hot storage room with no A/C on the hot Texas plains.
At my age, I gave up maintaining my fleet of various internal combustion engines, and have switched to Hetman's on the regular players and Selmer Slide grease and Blue Juice on the collectors that aren't used much.
IF YOU MISSED MY DISCLAIMER ABOVE, NOTE THAT STP NOW HAS AN ADDITIVE THAT I WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO PUT ON SOMETHING SO NEAR MY ORAL CAVITY! _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
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MalinTrumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 545 Location: Delray Beach, Florida
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 6:53 pm Post subject: 1st and 3rd slides |
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Automatic transmission fluid.
Really, back in 1967 Frank Hosticka recommended it. I bought a can and still have some left.
LCM |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 711 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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OK, first story never has a chance. What flavor Automatic Transmission fluid? Ford type or Dexton/Mercon back in the 70's, anyway. Today's stuff is likely different, as well. That stuff has additives and detergents out the wazoo, I'm pretty sure, and smells worse than STP, for sure. I spent all summer pumping the Dextron through my boat hydraulic system, and is just pumped it out. _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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