Watery sound while playing?

Marching noobie · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: Watery sound while playing?

When i play,Somtimes i get this noise like there is water inside my trumpet or if im spitting alot of spit into my trumpet,but when i try and empty my spitvalve,it doesn't have any liquid in it at all.Could it be comming from my mouth?Can anyone offer advice on how this can be prevented in the future?

Thanks in advance.
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Thermos · Veteran Member Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 300

You need to press down the third valve to empty the spit from the third valve slide if you didn't know that.

Sorry if you knew this already, but I met someone who had been playing for 2-3 years that had never learned this, so I figured I might as well toss the easy solution out there.

Jim-Wilson · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject:

Also, I occasionally have stuff sitting in the valve block that comes out upon removing the second slide, depressing the second valve and blowing it out of the valve port. Doesn't happen so much on my new horn but previously occurred on another horn.

Jim

swthiel · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

Depending on the horn, the ambient temperature, and the demands of what I'm playing, I may need to empty the main tuning slide and all three valve slides. As my playing has improved, I've been collecting more water, so I just keep emptying the horn and don't worry about the source of the water.
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JayJay · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: OK...thank you...

I too must say thanks for the very basic lesson in clearing that third valve slide...I didn't remember that from HS.

I was playing, actually trying to record for my yearly review, and the watery sounds returned and MAN I just opened that spit valve earlier and water again so soon?

You sure stepped out on the limb, but thanks for the basic lesson review.

Anyone else that reads a post and thinks it is a silly, stupid or lame statement or question...well "the only stupid question is the one we don't ask." this is still true. thanks again.

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DavidC · Regular Member Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 14

I've had this happen to me as well. I'm not exactly sure what the cause is, but it's certainly possible that there's some water in your horn. Another thing that I have considered is licking your lips too much. By all means it is better to play wet than dry...but maybe there's a point where it becomes excessive? Maybe this helps, good luck.
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Marching noobie · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:37 am Post subject:

Macc · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:42 am Post subject:

You could use the 'french horn trick' - that gets water out when there's seemingly not even water in the horn!

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skootchy · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:35 am Post subject:

Check your spit valve hole for blockage. Sometimes food particles can completly or partially block up stuff. Really gross but it just demonstrates the need to at least rinse before playing again after eating. (like if you eat at a gig during the break.) I carry a travel size toothbrush, toothpaste and floss and try to use them before going back on stage. Maybe you should just give your horn a good cleaning (with Mr Snake) while your at it and see if that makes a difference.

mpre53 · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject:

Bourbon City · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject:

I've read many post about the Kanstul 1600 and water retention. My friend has a 1600 that had a problem. I took and cleaned it. The amados were clogged. Keeping a clean horn is of somewhat importance.

my 2 cents
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jpetrocelli · Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject:

Happens to everyone. No big deal. Some horns just collect water in other places. When I play my Bb for instance (a Yammie Mark II) I have to constantly take out my 2nd valve and blow spit out. When I play my C, it is the 1st valve. When it's my pic, I swear the spit valves are broken, because the only place I can get spit out of is the bell and the mouthpipe. My Eb, its the third valve.

Find where your trumpet collects it, and just take care of it.

BTW, mine changes with the weather.

Good Luck.
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lukeypoo · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:48 am Post subject:

PMonteiro · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:31 pm Post subject:

Playing a mouthpiece without enough undercut (i.e. too high an alpha angle) can cause a waterlike sound. This happened when I played a Bach 3CW. My lips would hit the edge of the cup and make a crackling sound. Playing a more C-shaped cup and/or lower alpha angle may help.
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Richard III · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:47 pm Post subject:

Almost 14 years have past since this thread. And you have to bring it back for what purpose? We are in a sad state these days.
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Al Innella · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:03 am Post subject:

If you have a lot of water in your trumpet, you're full of hot air.

Tony Scodwell · Heavyweight Member Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 1961

Oh my goodness...some things never get old (or solved). I'm guessing an Amado waterkey was originally involved and I've lost count of the many times I've tried to explain here that these keys need a slightly different approach to keep them clean. A snake will not do it. The Amado piston has a groove and when depressed it allows moisture to pass through. When crud is lodged behind the groove you need to dislodge it either by disassembling the key (better have spare parts on hand) or simply blowing compressed air through from the outside with the piston depressed. With most everyone having a computer these days along with a can of air, this should be no problem. Even better is a real air compressor if you have one. And don't forget to oil them as often as your valves. The Amado key is held to very close tolerances and needs oiling same as your valves.

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JayKosta · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:29 am Post subject:

John_t_nz · Regular Member Joined: 22 Aug 2020 Posts: 25

I usually perform the following steps at the end of my practice session.

From this page:
https://everythingtrumpet.com/gearhead/Emptying_Water.html

Q: How do I empty all the water from my trumpet without using the spit valves?

A:

1. Hold trumpet as normal;

2. Tilt 90 degrees to the left (i.e., counter clockwise) so that the valves are horizontal, with the valve buttons pointing to your left;

3. Angle the bell up a few degrees;

4. Press down 3rd valve and blow (some folks find it best to remove the mouthpiece before blowing);

5. Press down 2nd valve and blow;

6. Press down 1st valve and blow;

7. Rotate 90 degrees counter clockwise so that valve buttons are pointing straight down;

8. Tilt bell downwards and lots of water runs out clearing all parts of the instrument!

This is employs the the same technique used by french horn players. It really does work and can be far faster than removing slides or even operating 2 water keys.
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