Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 3636 Location: Pacifica, CA, USA
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:26 am Post subject:
Conn cornet from the WWI era. It will bring very little money - you can check "sold" listings on ebay to see what I mean. _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
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Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3306 Location: Endwell NY USA
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:53 am Post subject:
yourbrass wrote:
Conn cornet from the WWI era. It will bring very little money - you can check "sold" listings on ebay to see what I mean.
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But looks to be in very good silver-plated condition, might be worth more for decorative value (to that special person) than playing. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.
Joined: 17 Mar 2002 Posts: 10204 Location: The Land Beyond O'Hare
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:00 am Post subject:
That’s an early version of the very popular Conn 80A. In good condition they play very well and are often used in trad bands. There’s a lot of them on eBay and elsewhere where they can be had for a couple of hundred dollars. _________________ Jim Hatfield
It looks like a 6A (3rd is just a standard slide, not set-up for mechanism or throw like 80A), but the 6A supposedly came out in 1924 and this is a 1921. _________________ Ron Berndt
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Serials 170,000 - 229,999
1. Do you need to hold the instrument bell up or bell down to read the serial number?
BELL DOWN: Go to this link
BELL UP: Continue with step 2.
2. An instruments with a so-called "Opera Glass tuning slide" (upside down U with a knob between player and first valve) is a Victor cornet. Most likely a model 80A, although there were several variations such as the 82A, 84A, 86A, 90A, 4A, 6A. The main difference is in the bore size.
Trumpets during this period are very difficult to identify, since all models looked the same. If you contact me I can try to identify the instrument, but don't hold your breath. I will be asking you about bore size. _________________ Bill
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 692 Location: Texas South Plains
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:26 pm Post subject:
The "Opera Glass" tuning slide with the micro adjustment screw was the main tuning slide, the 'trumpet-type" slide out front was to pull out for playing as an A cornet. The model with the "mechanism" also automatically set the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd slides for A, as well.
Some of these Victors played pretty nicely, otherwise, Conn wouldn't have catalogued them from before 1920 until will into the 1970's. I have the 1927 model with the mechanism, and it plays nicely, as long as you want to sound like a 1927 cornet player. My 1960's model plays a bit more modern, with the correct mouthpiece in each instance. And they do look cool. I've seen pix of Jim Cullum (RIP) playing one, right off hand. _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc.
Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 9365 Location: Heart of Dixie
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:09 pm Post subject:
You’re not going to get much for it. Why not just keep it in the family? _________________ "Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham
Some players use 80A to play modern jazz - it is the player, not the horn. I witnessed once a great player who held a long pp G over High C ... not the lead sound but a LYRICAL G over High C!
"As the Victor cornets predated Conn’s numbering scheme, the original .484”-bore models became the 6A and 7A in 1921 (LP and HP/LP respectively). In 1922, 4A and 5A .422”-bore versions were added. By 1924, 6A and 7A became 80A and 81A, while 4A and 5A became 90A and 91A. Small bore versions without the slide mechanism dubbed 91A and 92A, and a full set of .438” bore 84/85/86/87-A versions were similarly offered. In mid-1926, the 90A became 4A again with 91A discontinued, while 92A and 93A became 6A and 7A. With the onset of the Great Depression, this shrank to just the 80A and the 4A in 1931. By 1941, Only the 80A remained, and the slide mechanism was no longer part of the design."
The horn in question has a third valve slide that is not compatible with a slide-adjusting mechanism, but the serial number is 1921. The literature from 1921 and 1922 does not include any mention of a Victor without the mechanism - though clearly there is one. The long, but not low pitch long, ferrules on the tuning slide are also unique. _________________ Ron Berndt
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