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rjohannesson New Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:00 pm Post subject: Mouthpieces Similar to Jerome Callet 10C? |
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Hello fellow trumpeters,
So for my first post I thought I might start with an easy one I have a Jerome Callet 10C mp that my high school band director put me into way back in the late 80’s. Wondering if anyone knows anything about it. Where does it fall into the Callet lineup? (didn't see on the website -https://www.callettrumpets.com/mouthpieces_older.htm) There is mention of a size 10, but no 10C. Are they the same? What other mp is it similar to?
I did try searching the forums, but 742 results was way too many to wade through.
Thanks in advance!
Rob
Coming back slowly (I think/hope) |
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Tuningbell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Vintage Callet mouthpieces with Vladimir Fridman cups and rims ~
Vladimir was Giardinelli's top mouthpiece maker for many years. He later moved to Jerome Callet's shop. Together, they offered the following designs. Though there are likely some exceptions, the cups and rims were generally Vladimir's designs while the backbores were designed by Jerry. The rims typically have a bit more bite and less cushion than Jerry's personally designed rims.
Your 10-c Callet is close to a 10.5c Bach but slightly shallower
According to Jerry it gave a “faster” response.
A word about Bach 10.5C they have changed a lot over the years. I’d read a spec sheet and then contact GR, Pickett, Stork, and any other MP manufacturers that interest you with their 10.5c rim equivalents. IIRC Callet MP had weird/unique throat sizes and backbore flares designed by Jerry to compliment his embrouchure and trumpet yoga theories.
I found the information here:
https://www.callettrumpets.com/mouthpieces_older.htm
I knew Jerry very well and he was a marketer of products a lot of his claims were hard to qualify. If it worked for one player it did not work for many others. |
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rjohannesson New Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Ah, I see it now - I hadn't scrolled down far enough. The only thing is - I thought (from 25 year old memory) a Bach 10.5C had a relatively small rim diameter. Unfortunately, I don't have a vintage Bach 10.5C to compare it to. This 10C from Callet seems very large compared to say a 5C, which feels like a pea-shooter in comparison. My impression is that a 10.5C is even smaller than a 5C(?) Also, my Callet 10C has a very rounded rim compared to most Bachs I've tried.
Anyway, thanks for finding that for me - I am looking for a similar rim because it is comfortable, but perhaps a cup/bore that helps me lock in notes a little better. With the 5C, my pitches center up nicely, but with the Callet 10C I really have to work at it (though glissandos are easier!)
I'm wondering (after three years of resuming my playing) if this MP is not the right one for re-learning to play.
Thanks,
Rob |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:27 am Post subject: |
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I have a Bach 10c. It may be worth trying them both (10c and 10.5c). The 10c is a deep cup but has a very bright sound and I think it is a touch more rounded than the 10.5 (I looked at the Kanstul comparator, which lets you compare rims).
I think you have three choices: (1) just keep playing what you are playing, (2) try something more mainstream (3c, 5c or equivalent in Yamaha, Schilke, etc.) or (3) do a full or modified safari. I think there are places that will ship you several mouthpieces and you can see the one you would like. I am a fan of the 5c, so I don't think it would hurt to play that for a while. |
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bachstrad72 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Also worth pointing out, in the early 2000's, upon Jerry's first retirement, he sold the mouthpiece business, name, equipment, and tooling to Dillon Music. Vladimir Fridman and Peter Bronfman also went to work at Dillon for years after that, with Vladimir only retiring recently.
Dillon Music recently relaunched several of the older Callet offerings and may be able to help |
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B. Scriver Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Check out the Northern Brass Line at www.callet.com and be sure to talk to Lee Adams who in my opinion, is the authority and Callet horns and mouthpieces.
Brian Scriver
www.grmouthpieces.com |
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rjohannesson New Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:45 am Post subject: |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | I looked at the Kanstul comparator, which lets you compare rims. |
This looks like a great tool! Thanks for the link!
Does anyone know what the various codes are? I think I got The following:
B= Bach
BMV = Bach Mount Vernon
CG = Claude Gordon
GIR = Giardinelli (?)
M = Monette
S= Shilke
I don't know the following:
BNY, BFL, P, W
BTW - in my research I ran across another copy of the Kanstul comparator, but with more models included in it: https://trumpetbully.de/mcomp/index.html |
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rjohannesson New Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:18 am Post subject: |
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bachstrad72 wrote: | Also worth pointing out, in the early 2000's, upon Jerry's first retirement, he sold the mouthpiece business, name, equipment, and tooling to Dillon Music. Vladimir Fridman and Peter Bronfman also went to work at Dillon for years after that, with Vladimir only retiring recently.
Dillon Music recently relaunched several of the older Callet offerings and may be able to help |
Thanks. That's good to know - I do not live very far from Dillon - maybe I will ask them some questions... |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:37 am Post subject: |
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rjohannesson wrote: | HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | I looked at the Kanstul comparator, which lets you compare rims. |
I don't know the following:
BNY, BFL, P, W
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I believe this is what the abbreviations stand for:
BNY = New York Bach (before Bach moved to Mount Vernon)
BFL = Bach Flugelhorn
P = Either Parduba or Purviance. Someone else will have to help you with this one.
W = Warburton |
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rjohannesson New Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I believe this is what the abbreviations stand for:
BNY = New York Bach (before Bach moved to Mount Vernon)
BFL = Bach Flugelhorn
P = Either Parduba or Purviance. Someone else will have to help you with this one.
W = Warburton |
Thank you Jerry |
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