Horn ideas - core and ease

[kalijah]

[AndyDavids]

[Irving]

Darryl, can resistance or efficiency be quantified without including the player? The player is an integral part of the system, and each player will have different ideas about the qualities of the same trumpet.

[JayKosta]

[JWG]

[improver]

Bach 37

[random_abstract]

Of course every player will have a unique experience with a given horn/mouthpiece scenario. We're all different and have different levels of technique, different approaches and sound concepts, etc, blah blah blah.

I, for one, enjoy reading the forums to learn more about people's unique experiences and perceptions with regard to gear and different applications like jazz, big band, symphonic, church music, etc., especially where those topics cross over with my own experience and preferences. It's helpful and enlightening to compare the experiences of other trumpet players (at all levels!) to my own.

I'm quite interested in this topic, as I also play an HC2 and have been thinking about adding another Schilke Bb that would be more suited to large ensemble situations (big band, concert band, orchestral). Can we continue the discussion? Thanks!

[wilder]

[nowave]

Great stuff.

What I meant by "easier blow" was more sound for less effort, not decreased resistance. I can see how that was imprecise.

A few random thoughts to further the discussion:

-I love Benges as well, good call, though they don't satisfy the "dense core" requirement for me. (talk about another hard to define term - core)

-Hadn't even thought of a Vintage One - thanks. I know someone who uses one for everything under the sun, including a Balkan brass band. Never played one.

-Bach 37... duh. Of course. Will add to the list to try, why not?

Eager to do some testing soon... maybe this weekend.

[wilder]

You know you have to make a appointment now at Dillon's because of the virus. BTW, I only recommended horns you can buy new because getting a used horn they don't make anymore is so problematic. BACH 37,38 no. 72LT maybe. CALLET Jazz or SIMA yes. I have my first teacher's 22B that CONN gave him to try when he was with the Pittsburgh Symphony. Not the horn for commercial work in 2021.Good luck! jw

[lipshurt]

sounds like you are looking for a conn 36B connstellation or a Conn 8B artist.
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[kalijah]

[trickg]

Latin Band? Jupiter 1600I Ingram signature.

My main gig for nearly 20 years (Since October of 2001) has been playing in a rock and roll party/wedding band. My evolution of horns with that group - all chronicled somewhere in the pages of this forum - is as follows:

Bach Strad, LB, 25 Bell (1997-2006)
I hand-picked this trumpet, and it was a solid horn, but I always felt like I worked too hard to get the kind of sound I needed.

Schilke B6 (2006-2015)
I liked this horn for a lot of reasons. The sound and blow were always spot on, intonation was great, but the slotting was slippery.

Jupiter 1600I (2015-present)
Without a doubt, this horn made me a better player, partly due to the way it slots, but also because of the way it sounds - it has a density to the sound, but it also has some zing on the edge - it always sounded great on the mic, and being medium bore, I never had to work too hard with it - my endurance on that horn was always solid, and I think that part of it had to do with the fact that it naturally sounded the way it needed to sound without me having to push or work to get it to sound that way.

A person could spend more for something with a better name, but why? If you haven't had a chance to try one, give it a whirl if you get the chance. It will probably surprise you.
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[Brassnose]

Funny how people are different: I really like the classical Conn M bores (38, 36) and the Yamaha Z horns. The Schilke B6 in gold plate would be one of my dream horns but I always found the Jupiter 1600i quite stuffy. Maybe I play with more air (whatever that means ...)? I do like the Jupiter flugels and would not at all disregard Jupiter/XO. They make very nice horns, just the 1600 is not for me.

Speaking of Conn: some of the lightweight horns could also be interesting to the OP, such as the lightweight Artist.
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[Brassnose]

Just saw someone mentioned the Conn Vintage 1. Good horn, I like that one a lot. The sound is broader compared to my Bach 43. I noticed that when A-B-ing a bunch of Bachs including mine with a brass Vintage 1. Never played the gold brass or sterling silver variants.

If you’re thinking Conn, throw in a 52B, highly underrated horn in my opinion and cheaper than the Vintage 1. Plays even better for me than the Vintage 1.
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[trickg]

[Brassnose]

I was sure you’d notice the irony in the air statement ... The only thing I meant to say is that the Ingram horn to me is quite different from the other horns I mentioned.
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1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[trickg]

[Brassnose]

Hard to blow is pretty much what I felt with the Ingram model, so maybe it’s just not the horn for me. Or it was a Monday specimen, as we say over here ...
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1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier

[trickg]