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EastBayTrumpeter
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:35 pm    Post subject: Effective Sound Dampening Reply with quote

Does anyone know of an effective means to dampen the sound in a small room. I’m a beginner and my horn is binary: hella loud or off, lol. Thanks to Caruso exercises I’m getting better but I thought I might look in to sound dampening to preserve my hearing.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you’re worried about your hearing, then ear plugs or a (practice) mute are the best choice. Dampening is more about reducing the echo than than it is about volume, though the percieved loudness may be less. Materials like felt, cloth and foam are good for dampening. For asthetics there are special ‘canvas paintings’ that dampen the sound while looking nice and auspicious on the wall, but those can be expensive. There’s also a barrel-like construction that you blow into that dampens the sound, but I forgot what it’s called...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First: don't play loud! Even if the alternative is no sound. Something in your playing is quite wrong then, try to play pp, p to mf, that's all.
If you want to use a mute, buy a Denis Wick adjustable cup mute, they have low resistance and play very well. They are very useful if you don't want to sit in all that noise all day. You can use that mute with no problems, it will do NO harm to your playing. I heard the same from some pro-players who use these mutes also for noise reduction at home:

https://www.deniswick.com/product/adjustable-cup-mute-for-trumpet-cornet/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brass instruments are loud. Louder than most people (e.g., trumpeters) are willing to give them credit for. Playing a trumpet causes hearing damage over time.

I use sound blankets sold by:
https://www.vocalboothtogo.com/

to reduce reverberation in my practice room. They dampen sound within the room to some degree. They aren’t sound proofing.

Earplugs come in a wide variety of types. Some can produce an occlusion effect, which amplifies sound within the ear canal. I found this to be the case with custom fit Westone plugs with Etymotic filters. They made things worse for me.

Practice mutes will absolutely impact your non-muted playing. You have to try and decide what works and what’s worth the impact. The Mute Tube is also an option. I may consider one if/when the pandemic ends.

Learning to play softly sounds like the easiest and best advice to try first. It might also be the most musical approach.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried ear plugs but I lose the feedback with the subtleties of my sound. I have tried the 3M E-A-Rsoft brand. I would say the sound I hear is very similar to what a practice mute sounds like.

Mutes? I have tried a practice mute in the past and don't enjoy using them. The back pressure and muted sound are unappealing. After purchasing the mute I asked my neighbors if they could hear me play(w/out the mute) and they responded "barely" and also added they like the sound.

Playing softly is the obvious solution and I'm enjoying the process of learning via the Caruso exercises. It nice to hear the change in dynamics.

Thanks for the suggestions.


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Playin4Fun
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also concerned about protecting my hearing and have taken the following steps which have all helped. I am trying to play softer also, but still am concerned with occasionally experiencing ringing ears.

-I wear Etymotic ear plugs for higher decibel exercises
-I have added throw rugs on the hard surface floor
-I leave the clothes closet door open
-I have a heavy folded blanket hanging from a pants hanger from a door frame.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wanting to protect your hearing now is something I wish I'd been more cautious with years ago. It's a good idea to approach that now. A friend of mine (lives in a condo) has a pair of mattresses set up in a corner of his ~ 10 x 12 ft room and practices playing into them pointing at the 90 degree angle. He uses some sound foam on the other walls. It's ugly and reminds me of a cell in an asylum. Of course the room is dedicated to practice and not everyone has the luxury of taking up an entire room to play.

I tried using mutes and ended up with a collection of practice mutes, including the Yam Silent Brass, that are taking up space in an already crowded music room. Besides, the back pressure they create makes it difficult for me to adjust when playing open.

My go to for practice/sound dampening method is an old Stone-Lined Bucket mute but I've also found a Harmon with the stem removed is somewhat acceptable.

Doing something now about your hearing will pay off down the road.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am opposed to the idea that trumpets will make you deaf if you play them over a few years.

I have never suffered any problems with hearing loss I have been encouraged however to play loudly and blast out the tones by people who should know better.

delano is totally nailing it. If you fear for your life and your hearing while playing and cannot play quieter than the volumes needed to raise the dead then something is wrong.

It is possible to play trumpet and cornet quietly it is about control and embouchure development. It is possible to play almost silently but it takes many years practice to achieve this and tone can suffer when you play too quietly.

Beginners have huge difficulty playing pp but that does not mean they should not aspire to playing pp.

Soft and gentle is the way to go.

I recommend using a bubble mute or a practice mute.

I use bubble mute at home and nobody hears me.

Mutes can affect adversely your playing but usually this is because they are used wrongly and the player is often trying to blow the roof off into the mute and then complains the mute offers too much resistance.

Play the mute gently and you wont suffer resistance issues

Trumpets are very loud if you play them very loud. Trumpets are soft if you play them soft, but you have to know how to play them soft or you just end up playing loud.

As an anecdote

I was invited to play at a table in a bar for a small group who were celebrating a birthday so I agreed. I played happy birthday and several popular tunes.

I played softly so as not to disturb others too much

When I ended my set I asked the table next to them, just 6 feet away and 10 feet away from where I was playing, if I had disturbed them and they said no they were not even aware I had been playing.

They had not even heard me above their conversation.

It is not only possible to play quietly but it is easy to play quietly when you know how,

Seek a teacher on this to help you learn to play moderately
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a very interesting and helpful trumpetherald thread with information on sound energy and hearing loss at https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1260463 . I am still researching and digesting the information. I don't want to be overly cautious, but understand that hearing damage can't be reversed. I also downloaded a free soundmeter app for observation of my practice sound levels.[/url]
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