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Which do you recommend for use to play with an organ in church to accompany congregational singing? |
Schilke S22CHD trumpet |
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Schilke A2C cornet |
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Andy Del Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2665 Location: sunny Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:31 am Post subject: |
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My name is Andy, and I too play a Schilke A2C.
I seriously do not think this is such an issue to decide. Just one or the other. Play it. You will sound like you. No one in the congregation, in causing any music ministers, are going to worry or hassle you, unless it’s out of tune...
Cheers
Andy _________________ so many horns, so few good notes... |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:26 am Post subject: |
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Grits Burgh wrote: | Ed Kennedy wrote: | The S22CHD is an orchestral instrument, designed to go up against the Bach large bore C trumpets. Another alternative would be the Schilke medium bore c trumpets: the C6 and C7. They would probably be special order but they are very easy blowing nice solo instruments. |
I am going to look for a music store that stocks these. I'd really like to try them out before buying. |
Here's a road trip for you to a great shop in the Atlanta area: https://www.brassinstrumentworkshop.com/c-trumpets
PS the owner is, like myself, a former Schilke employee. |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ed, I have been to Rich Ita's shop a number of times. I kind of like buying vintage horns just to take them to him to work on. I never cared much for my Strad until he worked on it. I don't know what all he did, but he sure did improve the playability of that horn.
He has an interesting collection of vintage cornets. He had one Blessing cornet that I regret not buying. It played and sounded very nice. _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | Grits, to be honest: assuming you are an amateur player that does not need to make money with your music, I think that is does not make much of a difference. Trumpets and cornets sound slightly different, yes, but I doubt that the majority of the audience would notice. I have gotten to a point (40 years into playing) that I just pick what I like and what suits me best.
Nowadays I mostly play my rotary and my bass trumpet. One does not play a rotary in a rock band? Who cares? It’s the horn I like and that I can deliver with. So: if you like the cornet, go with it. |
First, I am not quite an amateur. At the present time I am a hacker. I am working very hard and one day I hope to be promoted to amateur. I was taking lessons from Jeff Purtle and making good headway, but I ran into some health issues that set me back a bit.
As for playing a rotary trumpet in a rock band, that is only the sort of thing you can do if you are a very skilled player. Hackers need to look like they know what they are doing and dress for the occasion. When you can't play, looks are all you've got.
I take the same philosophy to the golf course. One day I walked into the clubhouse and a friend of mine, a scratch golfer, said to everybody in the place, "Hey, here's the guy who looks like Jack Nicklaus and plays like Grits."
I am happy to report that my trumpet playing is better than my golf. _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Del wrote: | My name is Andy, and I too play a Schilke A2C.
I seriously do not think this is such an issue to decide. Just one or the other. Play it. You will sound like you. No one in the congregation, in causing any music ministers, are going to worry or hassle you, unless it’s out of tune...
Cheers
Andy |
Andy, thanks for posting. You are correct, of course.
I have to say, however, that I picked up a number good tips from the folks who have posted.
I don't know about you, but for me, buying a new trumpet (or cornet) is a big deal. It's nice to enjoy the entire experience, from thinking, to looking, to seeking advice, to buying and eventually to playing. I've enjoyed the comments of the folks here at Trumpet Herald who mentioned some things worth thinking about. _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Nov 2001 Posts: 1532 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:33 pm Post subject: Schilke C trumpet versus cornet |
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Hello all,
Just have to say that I have been buying and selling, mostly Schilke horns since 1976. I used to be able to make enough playing, to buy a horn per year.. Then it was easy to audition a horn for an extended time and sell the one that was not playing like I wanted. After a while I was able to keep a few more around just to have, because I liked how they played, differently.
My name is Chris, and I play an A2C....among others. _________________ Christian K. Peters
Schilke Loyalist since 1976 |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2056 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like there are quite some folks playing the A2C and like it. Makes me wonder if I should try one, too ... _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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dschwab Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 518
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I have a Schilke A2C as well. With a Curry DC mouthpiece, it's the easiest to play, most in tune C instrument I own. Your results may vary. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Get a C TRUMPET.
You like Schilke, get a Schilke.
You don't want your sound blending into the organ and choir; the church wants brass for that SPARKLE. A trumpet will do that more easily than a cornet.
I typically play Easter services. I usually use a C trumpet for everything. However, one year I decided to use one of my Bb trumpets for one of the tunes to put me in the key of F instead of the key of Eb -- to avoid 2-3 value combination in several 16th note runs. Well, after the service, my wife tells me she couldn't hear me in that tune; she could hear me fine on everything else.
So my lightweight, thin copper "beryllium" bell could be heard, but my normal weight yellow brass could not. My Schilke C3Lb has served me well. |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Jerry wrote: | Get a C TRUMPET.
You like Schilke, get a Schilke.
You don't want your sound blending into the organ and choir; the church wants brass for that SPARKLE. A trumpet will do that more easily than a cornet.
I typically play Easter services. I usually use a C trumpet for everything. However, one year I decided to use one of my Bb trumpets for one of the tunes to put me in the key of F instead of the key of Eb -- to avoid 2-3 value combination in several 16th note runs. Well, after the service, my wife tells me she couldn't hear me in that tune; she could hear me fine on everything else.
So my lightweight, thin copper "beryllium" bell could be heard, but my normal weight yellow brass could not. My Schilke C3Lb has served me well. |
Jerry, thanks for posting. You make a very good point. The organ is loud and I'm operating on 70% lung capacity (asthma). I probably need all the help I can get to be heard. I can always satisfy my craving for a cornet with one in Bb.
Still, I am going to have to find a place where I can try out the A2C and a Getzen cornet as well. _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Grits Burgh wrote: |
Still, I am going to have to find a place where I can try out the A2C and a Getzen cornet as well. |
If you are coming to Indy, let me know and I'll arrange a meeting with you and my AC2. I loaned it to a dear friend who played Symphonie Fantastique on it about 13 months ago, before the orchestra shut down. He loved it. I do too...L'Histoire is gorgeous on it. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 1473 Location: OHare area
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Play both of them.
With your asthma, choose the one that gives you the most sound for the least amount of effort.
The great Arnold Jacobs did not have full lung capacity either and my, could he make a sound on that tuba.
R. Tomasek |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:26 am Post subject: |
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dr_trumpet wrote: | Grits Burgh wrote: |
Still, I am going to have to find a place where I can try out the A2C and a Getzen cornet as well. |
If you are coming to Indy, let me know and I'll arrange a meeting with you and my AC2. I loaned it to a dear friend who played Symphonie Fantastique on it about 13 months ago, before the orchestra shut down. He loved it. I do too...L'Histoire is gorgeous on it. |
Dr. Lilly, that is a very kind offer. I actually have a niece who lives near Indianapolis. I might have to arrange for a visit. I am very interested in the AC2.
Warm regards,
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8336 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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You should get the instrument that works best for you - how you play and the situation that you will use it in.
Don't give too much thought to these posts that pontificate on the "correct horn" or "most common" or "most versatile." What matters is your situation. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I finally decided on what I wanted to do. I ordered a Getzen 3810 C Cornet.
I couldn't find a place locally to compare a Getzen 3810 with a Schilke A2C so I don't really know if I would prefer one to the other, but I stumbled across an irresistible offer on a brand new Getzen 3810 and I'm sure that I will like it. Let's be honest, the horn is much better than I am; I don't deserve such a horn and I will never do it justice.
The horn is on backorder and I don't expect to get my hands on it until July, but I am sure it will be worth the wait.
I first learned about Getzen cornets from Trumpet Herald. Over the last few years I searched out recordings of people playing them and I liked the sound of every one of the players. Admittedly, they were all better players than me, but at least I will know that I am playing a first rate instrument so that if I do not sound as good as I like, I will know that the problem is with me, not the horn. Anyways, I have been hoping to add a Getzen cornet to the stable for some time and now I have a brand new one headed my way. _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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benlewis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 1011 Location: Memphis, TN
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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I think you'll be pleased. I had a Getzen C and performed a Rutter piece for organ, trumpet, and choir on it with a great result.
HTH
Ben |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2533 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Grits Burgh wrote: | dr_trumpet wrote: | Grits Burgh wrote: |
Still, I am going to have to find a place where I can try out the A2C and a Getzen cornet as well. |
If you are coming to Indy, let me know and I'll arrange a meeting with you and my AC2. I loaned it to a dear friend who played Symphonie Fantastique on it about 13 months ago, before the orchestra shut down. He loved it. I do too...L'Histoire is gorgeous on it. |
Dr. Lilly, that is a very kind offer. I actually have a niece who lives near Indianapolis. I might have to arrange for a visit. I am very interested in the AC2.
Warm regards,
Grits |
See you've chosen the Getzen, which is a fantastic instrument. If you get near Indy, please contact me and we can still arrange a trial on the Schilke!
All my best,
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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See you've chosen the Getzen, which is a fantastic instrument. If you get near Indy, please contact me and we can still arrange a trial on the Schilke!
All my best,
AL[/quote]
Again, very kind of you to offer. If I get to Indy, I'll give you a holler. I suspect that I would be happy with either the Getzen or the Schilke. I'm just glad to have a horn pitched in C. I think that my new cornet will work very well for me when playing in church.
Warm regards,
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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benlewis wrote: | I think you'll be pleased. I had a Getzen C and performed a Rutter piece for organ, trumpet, and choir on it with a great result.
HTH
Ben |
Thanks. I appreciate the encouragement.
Warm regards,
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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FatSebastian Regular Member
Joined: 26 Apr 2021 Posts: 22
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Grits Burgh wrote: | I finally decided on what I wanted to do. I ordered a Getzen 3810 C Cornet. ... I stumbled across an irresistible offer on a brand new Getzen 3810 and I'm sure that I will like it. |
Congratulations on your decision! For those of us also looking for an "irresistible offer" on a new Getzen 3810, can you say from where you ordered? |
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