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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:22 am Post subject: C trumpet mouthpiece 5 rim? |
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Does anyone have a stock/reasonably priced mouthpiece to recommend for c trumpet with a 5 sized rim? I have Kanstul's copy of the Monette c4, which is close, but the rim is not quite right for me.
I've tried the Yamaha 16c4/17b4 and liked them (I think that's what they sell with their orchestral trumpets).
The stock 5c doesn't feel quite right. I have a 5v. That has a large throat and is comfortable, so maybe that would be a good match? Bach doesn't seem to make their symphonic mouthpieces in that size. I guess I could try the 3c or go back to the larger yamahas. Just curious if anyone else has suggestions to try. I like the 5 rim and the endurance but if feels kind of tight on C. |
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Jerry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Curry 5BC? |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2001 Posts: 2534 Location: Cope, IN
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:12 am Post subject: Re: C trumpet mouthpiece 5 rim? |
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | Does anyone have a stock/reasonably priced mouthpiece to recommend for c trumpet with a 5 sized rim? I have Kanstul's copy of the Monette c4, which is close, but the rim is not quite right for me.
I've tried the Yamaha 16c4/17b4 and liked them (I think that's what they sell with their orchestral trumpets).
The stock 5c doesn't feel quite right. I have a 5v. That has a large throat and is comfortable, so maybe that would be a good match? Bach doesn't seem to make their symphonic mouthpieces in that size. I guess I could try the 3c or go back to the larger yamahas. Just curious if anyone else has suggestions to try. I like the 5 rim and the endurance but if feels kind of tight on C. |
Hammond 5MB. _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
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nltrumpet Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:12 am Post subject: |
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It's on the large side in terms of cup volume, but you could try the Bach 5B. Lots of orch guys use that mouthpiece, but often with a different rim. You might also like the Yamaha John Hagstrom, which is quite inexpensive and definitely geared towards symphonic playing. |
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kristiner Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Curry 5BC would be a no-brainer. It’s made for C trumpet with a deep cup, 24 throat, and symphonic backbore, and the rim is a copy of a Bach 5C. Price is right, too. Mark Curry is the best. _________________ Kris Tiner
Professor of Music, Director of Jazz Studies
Bakersfield College
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:15 am Post subject: |
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kristiner wrote: | Curry 5BC would be a no-brainer. It’s made for C trumpet with a deep cup, 24 throat, and symphonic backbore, and the rim is a copy of a Bach 5C. Price is right, too. Mark Curry is the best. |
Yes, Curry would be an awesome choice. One benefit is that all of the rims within his series (like all 5's ) are the same shape. So you can try a C cup vs. an M or B and the rim will be the same.
I must ask, why you're stuck on the 5 ? Seems like an odd move from the Yamaha 16 - quite a different size and rim shape change.
note: Curry's rims aren't necessarily the same from number to number - 5 rims have a sharp bite (to me) but 3 rims are quite comfortable. They are modelled after old Bach designs.
I also support using the same size rim on all trumpets - not to confuse your chops from one to the other. What do you play on your Bb's? Most start there and look to modify the throat, backbore, or cup shape to best fit a C trumpet. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Jan 2018 Posts: 1021 Location: East Asia
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the answers. I found I could basically handle Bach 1-10 with no problem, but the 5c just seemed like a better fit (that's what I default to on Bb). I have a Curry 5FLD for my flugelhorn but the intonation is not totally there. I maybe should try the curry 3 rim if that seems much better. I don't mind some bite (have tried 1.5 and Bach 5b cornet) but the vanilla 5 is pretty good for me.
I think professionals mostly just go with the larger mouthpiece (Bach 1.5, Yamaha 16-17, etc.), but I think with limited practice time I'm looking for something that can be played orchestrally on a more modest rim (like a 5). The suggestions here are all good. I'll keep an eye out on curry. |
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:00 am Post subject: |
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just a follow up after your last post...
I'd go for Curry's 3C (and then others).. I played a Bach 1 1/2C for years, love the sound (still do) but found it challenging to be consistent day to day with edurance and then in the upper register.
Curry's 3 rims are slight bigger than Bach 3's, and have a hair less bite. I find them to be an excellent compromise.. big sound, yet not so large a diameter. My endurance daily, and consistency day to day, week to week greatly improved when I made the switch. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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rockford Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Try a Hammond 5ML. All the specs are on Karl's website. _________________ Bill Siegfried
NY/Mt. Vernon Bach trumpets. Yamaha flugelhorn and piccolo A/Bb, Monette and Hammond mouthpieces. Fender and Peavey Cirrus Bass Guitars. Ampeg and Genz-Benz amps. Embraer 170/175/190. |
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DOEL Regular Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2020 Posts: 18 Location: Texas
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:13 am Post subject: |
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The best Bach 5 size rim mouthpieces for C orchestral playing are the Curry 5BC, Denis Wick American 5C, and a Stork 4 rim with 25 throat and C backbore. Stork allows you to chenge the cup with my favorite being the D+ and C while C+, B, B+ are popular.
It's also worth checking our getting a custom Bach 5B 24/24
I haven't tried a Hammond 5ML, Pickett 5BC 24 CS (C trumpet shank), or a Frost O6MV25-7. I imagine they might be what you're looking for. _________________ 81 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Vincent Bach Corp. 5C
03 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork 4C25C
06 Bb/A Schilke P5-4 Piccolo silver - Stork SP6
23 Eb/D Thomann ETR-3300S silver - Stork 4D+25C |
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BudBix Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:10 am Post subject: |
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I used a Pickett 5BC/0 and 24 throat for a while since moved back to 3 size rims. 5SO top if you want to go deeper. |
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erez Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Hammond 5 rim equivalent the Bach 3c according to Hammond website. I tried his 5mlx and it felt smaller than typical 3c. I wonder if anyone else has the same experience?
Anyway, I will suggest to check Curry 5BC |
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DOEL Regular Member
Joined: 22 Nov 2020 Posts: 18 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Curry 5BC, Denis Wick American 5C, and Stork Vacchiano 4B(+) or 4C(+) with a 25 throat and C or D backbore are all fantastic. _________________ 81 Bb Bach Stradivarius 37/25 ML raw - Vincent Bach Corp. 5C
03 C Bach Stradivarius 239/25A L silver - Stork 4C25C
06 Bb/A Schilke P5-4 Piccolo silver - Stork SP6
23 Eb/D Thomann ETR-3300S silver - Stork 4D+25C |
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