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UKtrumpetman Regular Member
Joined: 16 Oct 2016 Posts: 28 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 7:06 am Post subject: Jupiter 846RL Flugle Horn and Zottola 64FL mouthpiece |
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Hi from the UK
I am a regular trumpet player and having just retired I’ve acquired a Jupiter 846RL Flugle Horn which I’m very pleased with.
I also dug out my old mouthpieces to get back into blowing again.
I have a Denis Wick and a Vincent Bach Flugle mouthpieces that fit snugly into the Jupiter’s’ mouthpiece receiver as they should.
However my favourite mouthpiece is my Zottola 64FL, BUT is it not a snug fit, there is a very small wobble.
So my question is what taper does the Zottola have? What taper has the Jupiter receiver got? I have no issues with asking a specialist to make up a new Flugle receiver slide, but I don’t know what I’ve got.
I’ve done a fair bit of research online and have reached a blank. One UK repairer in the Midlands has told me there is nothing he can do!!! Really?
I hope you might be able to help
Thanks
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jazzjezz Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2010 Posts: 108 Location: SE UK
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 8:00 am Post subject: |
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From previous threads here it seems that the Jupiter takes a Large Morse Taper.
From the Wedge mouthpiece site (I only went there because thats what I use...), the three main types Large Morse Taper, Small Morse Taper, French (no taper). Plus one german taper much like a trumpet taper.
It states some dimensions.
I would suggest checking the measurements of your Zottola to see which, if any , it matches.
Do you have access to a Vernier calliper? |
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UKtrumpetman Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your reply jazzjezz
I do have access to a vernier guage, I'll do some measurements and possibly post them here
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Mike Prestage Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 722 Location: Hereford, UK
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 10:52 am Post subject: |
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It will be much easier to find someone who can alter the mouthpiece to fit the horn than someone who can make a bespoke leadpipe. To be fair to the person you asked, even altering a mouthpiece shank requires skills and equipment that aren't used in general repair work. The quickest route to finding someone who's up for the job would probably be to ask around the brass instrument makers - Taylor, Eclipse, Spencer, Rath etc.
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UKtrumpetman Regular Member
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Mike - good suggestion. I'll get on that tomorrow |
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Mike Prestage Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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You're welcome - hope it works out.
Mike |
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UKtrumpetman Regular Member
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 12:19 am Post subject: |
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Just measured my Zottola
Thought I'd post results here.
Still a little confused as they do not seem to fit into any of the measurements here
https://wedgemouthpiece.com/flugelhorn-mouthpiece-overview-and-fitting-guide/
Measurement taken every 0.5cm, so 2cm overall from tip of shank
Tip of shank 9.66mm----9.93----10.14----10.25----10.38 …..mouthpiece
Tip of shank 0.380ins----0.390----0.399----0.403----0.408……..mouthpiece
I would be interested in opinions - should I really post this in the mouthpiece section?
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Mike Prestage Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 1:14 am Post subject: |
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To me, those measurements suggest that it was made as a French shank but someone altered it to fit a trumpet. How does it fit in your trumpet(s)? I can see other possibilities but all of them boil down to this being a very much non-standard shank, and more likely to be an alteration than a variant made by Zottola.
Personally I'd avoid splitting the conversation into two threads. If you want to make sure your question is seen, the main thing is to make sure it's somewhere broadly appropriate, and definitely not in the Lounge as posts there don't show up on the home page.
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Seems to be a regular combination:
. It’s a Getzen Eterna and I’m still playing that as well. It’s a little bit green – in fact it’s very green! I’m not a lot of good at looking after my instruments.”
As for mouthpieces, he says. He started with a Rudy Mück 17C but was only on that for a couple of years. “Then somebody gave me a Zottola 64B and I’ve been on that ever since. I also use a 64FL on my flugel.”
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 4:59 am Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, I think Jupiters take the same shank as Yamaha, so you should have a lot of choices. I'm curious about the background on your current mouthpiece also. What flugelhorn did you play it on in the past? If you really love it, and aren't playing it on another flugel, maybe you should get it reshanked to something more standard. |
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UKtrumpetman Regular Member
Joined: 16 Oct 2016 Posts: 28 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Just a quick update
Mike Prestage -----I've had two positive responses from two UK instrument makers who are keen to help - so thanks for the suggestion
HaveTrumpetWillTravel ----- I've had my Zottola for years and it came with my Flugel secondhand in the days of MIR in the Midlands. The horn was a Weltklang, and was OK. I sold it and kept my mp, which has been with me now for over 30 years. I also use Zottola trumpet mps - must be my age!
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 2:43 am Post subject: |
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If your old horn was a Weltklang, maybe the MP started its life as a German shank piece. Weltklang is an old GDR brand, mostly for export to the west to bring in hard money to the GDR. Or so I think. Living in eastern Germany, I see a lot of Weltklang horns. They were made in Markneukirchen, so any of the horn or mouthpiece makers there may be able to help you as well. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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UKtrumpetman Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Just a quick update - a very talented instrument repairer has reshaped the shank of my mp to a morse taper. it is now a snug fit and I'm good to go.
I am very pleased - £42 all in - an absolute bargain
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Mike Prestage Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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UKtrumpetman wrote: | Just a quick update - a very talented instrument repairer has reshaped the shank of my mp to a morse taper. it is now a snug fit and I'm good to go.
I am very pleased - £42 all in - an absolute bargain
Cheers |
Good to hear it worked out
Mike |
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