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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 692 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 6:15 pm Post subject: Knock Off Strad Alert |
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I see these occasionally on eBay, and report them as soon as I can. If you have spent as many years as I have admiring your Strad, you can quickly spot these cheap knock-offs. If you search for Bach Stradivarius on the internet, especially from China, you find them offered "new in the box" with very authentic looking Conn-Selmer paperwork.
These horns have the model number (for example LT180S43) engraved on the mouthpiece receiver. The water keys are definitely NOT Strad. The case sorta looks like a Strad case, but a little too small. The bell "engraving" (laser printed) is the biggest giveaway. These guys have the nerve to stamp made in the USA and Elkhart, Indiana on these.
I reported these listings, and noticed they were taken down within an hour, noting "error in listing". I might have thought one might be actual lack of knowledge, but putting 2 of these up at premium prices seems a bit of intent, I believe. Anyway, I'd like to the the word out for instrument buyers and teachers.
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Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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RUenvsci Regular Member
Joined: 28 Dec 2020 Posts: 34 Location: NJ, USA
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve noticed these too even on Craigslist. Such a shame that they exist. They prey on HS kids that don’t know any better and think they are getting a steal. _________________ Comeback player |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 692 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Noticed another knockoff. They are getting more details right. Seller does not show bell engraving, but the water keys and small case are still dead giveaways. Seller may not know, but I sent him a note about it. I have not played on one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bach-strad-Silver-trumpet-model-37-demo-model-just-played-in-the-store-/234061224161?_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249 _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 692 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I did a little research to see if the knockoffs are increasing, and yes, they are getting harder to spot. Some apparently have created a more believable bell impression.
https://www.dhgate.com/wholesale/bach+trumpet.html
Seems like there should be some protections from our "trade partners". _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2441
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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This says it is a store demo - so that would mean the store has to know they didn't buy it from Bach. 50 years in business.....wow.. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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dr-pepp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 May 2004 Posts: 541 Location: Austin TX
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:25 am Post subject: |
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I actually messaged these guys about the fake Strad, the guy who claims to be owner of the shop said “…..had a new kid doing my ebay”, who placed the ad “on his own”, and he has since removed the ad.
Sounds like it might have been an honest mistake?
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8335 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | I actually messaged these guys about the fake Strad, the guy who claims to be owner of the shop said “…..had a new kid doing my ebay”, who placed the ad “on his own”, and he has since removed the ad.
Sounds like it might have been an honest mistake?
Brad |
Yeah, I rarely buy stories like that.
It'll probably pop up again within a month or two. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | I actually messaged these guys about the fake Strad, the guy who claims to be owner of the shop said “…..had a new kid doing my ebay”, who placed the ad “on his own”, and he has since removed the ad.
Sounds like it might have been an honest mistake?
Brad |
Yeah, I rarely buy stories like that.
It'll probably pop up again within a month or two. |
Probably will.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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