'Nothing New Under The Sun' Department . . .

Halflip · Last edited by Halflip on Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:08 am; edited 1 time in total

Remember this topic?

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=141043&highlight=jerome+wiss

There was a lot of debate about whether Monsieur Wiss' innovative design (1) makes it possible for a trumpet to have perfect (or near-perfect) intonation throughout the scale, and (2) is simply a compensating system similar to many that have already been tried in the dim past.

Regarding (2), the point was made that the Wiss design is (in a way) the opposite of a typical compensating system because it uses fewer air passages through each piston rather than more.

I was perusing Robb Stewart's site (always a good read) and came across the following page:

https://www.robbstewart.com/conn-eb-tuba

Granted, the Conn/Dupont patent was issued over 140 years ago, and the design was used on an E-flat tuba, but it nonetheless has strong similarity to the Wiss design in that there are only two air passages through each piston.

Note that the Wiss design may differ in important ways from that of Conn/Dupont, and may be the first application of such a design to the trumpet. It still represents a significant achievement.

homebilly · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:52 am Post subject:

i remember very well as i am probably the only person in the US to have actually played those horns that were being referred to in that thread

they were not perfect but they played fantastically and i loved them
here they are

he had two for me to try out that 1st day of 2 that i played them
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Andy Cooper · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:57 am Post subject:

I defer to more knowledgeable repair techs on TH, but it sure looks like a nightmare to repair dents in the left side valve knuckles since they are all brazed in place.

I guess you would need to use dent balls and a magnet?

Interesting idea. Various companies made some sort of compensating cornet in the late 1800's but they used a lot more tubing.

stumac · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:25 pm Post subject:

After Ron's review and the youtube demonstrations at the beginning of April 2019I ordered a 6/20 from Jerome. It arrived mid June 2020, probably the only one in Australia.

Due to continuing Covid lockdowns we have only had a couple of Orchestra and Big Band rehearsals since. It has become my favorite horn usurping my Eclipse, Taylor and Olds Super recording.

A professional player and teacher played it at one rehearsal and her comment was "Wow this plays so much in tune, how has he achieved this"

The sound is a little less bright due to bell shape but very rich and quite strident when given plenty of air and responds with the merest whisper of air.

The price was commensurate with any horn from a small maker who only makes between 5 and 25 instruments a year, final price just over Aus $9000 with Solid Silver bell and shipping.

Regards, Stuart.

homebilly · Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:36 pm Post subject:

way to go Stuart!
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omelet · Veteran Member Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 245

You neglected to photo the back side of the valves with the tangle of tubing?
His site has some pictures of the horn, and it looks like he's achieved a more traditional bell flare on a second model.
http://jeromewiss.com/en/fabrication-en/bb-trumpet-mod-916/

homebilly · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:15 am Post subject:

i guess i did. i'll look through my photos to see
I also don't remember anything unique on the other side of the horn

it was an interesting horn to play and hold

you'll also notice the gap receiver thingy
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stumac · Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:23 pm Post subject:

Mine does not have the Variable Gap receiver, discussing this with Jerome he said that most people did not use it correctly so decided to omit it.

As there is no step at the junction of the receiver and leadpipe I feel it is not necessary to set a gap.

I found that his receiver was not No1 Morse taper and a standard mouthpiece only made contact at the entrance. As I have a No1 reamer this was quickly corrected. I have referred this back to Jerome.

Regards, Stuart.

yourbrass · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:15 am Post subject:

Kanstul made that type of variable receiver years ago; this one looks much like it.
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blbaumgarn · Heavyweight Member Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 705

I just got to work on an overnight and signed onto TH and someone has gone
Ecclesiastes on me..............phew

Very interesting looking horn.
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