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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, to that end - Reeves makes a trumpet mouthpiece which gives a trumpet a flugelhorn sound. (Purpose is to carry just a mpc instead of whole flugelhorn, when possible). I would contact Reeves and request a Purviance cornet/flugelhorn mpc be converted for use on a trumpet.

Assuming this is not for BBB, of course.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: What would turn a trumpet into a cornet Reply with quote

allstarbugler wrote:
What would turn a lawnmower into a hedgetrimmer?


Removing the warning stickers plastered all over the mower.

No - really. This is classic example of product liability taught in business law classes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: What would turn a trumpet into a cornet? Reply with quote

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As of now, a good pro quality Yamaha trumpet (such as a YTR-6335) costs almost as low as about 1/2 of the price of a good pro quality cornet (such as YCR-8335). In the 20th century the cornet and trumpet designs became closer and closer to each other. The differences are in the leadpipe and the wrap more than in anything else.

This brings a question: what would be needed to turn a YTR-6335 into a pro-level cornet without damaging the instrument?

Perhaps a Bob Reeves or GR cornet-to-trumpet mouthpiece adapter?


The difference is in the bell, leadpipe and of course the receiver.

A Curry TF or TC mouthpiece would be the easiest thing to do.
Seriously, one of the early Yamaha (Japan) student cornets would give you a better instrument than trying for a Frankenamahahorn. They really are that good. A valve alignment and a pro cornet mouthpiece and you could be ready to go .
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: What would turn a trumpet into a cornet? Reply with quote

etc-etc wrote:
As of now, a good pro quality Yamaha trumpet (such as a YTR-6335) costs almost as low as about 1/2 of the price of a good pro quality cornet (such as YCR-8335).


This is kind of comparing apples and oranges. The 6335 trumpet is much cheaper than the 8335 trumpet and the same is true of the cornet. I think the 6335 cornet new is about 2/3rds the price of the 8335. The 6335 cornet is, I think, a ML bore and much lighter. It is uncommon in the US but sells at least in Asia.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
You realise this thread is at least a decade old?


Yeah, but this thread is a classic! Consider: In this one thread, we have (1) a post from the Captain that is less than 300 words long, and (2) a post from Scorpion that isn't a loopy attempt at comedy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halflip wrote:
kehaulani wrote:
You realise this thread is at least a decade old?


Yeah, but this thread is a classic! Consider: In this one thread, we have (1) a post from the Captain that is less than 300 words long, and (2) a post from Scorpion that isn't a loopy attempt at comedy.


Well played.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:18 am    Post subject: what would turn a trumpet into a cornet? Reply with quote

My dad tried doing the opposite. Got my mouthpiece stuck and he grabbed a couple shop rags and a pliers. Wrapped the mpc. with a rag, put the pliers on her and grabbed the bell and made me a herald trumpet in about three seconds. There is no way to describe how powerful my dad was when he was younger but he stretched the Conn Director a whole bunch. Glad he did that when I was in sixth grade cause one year later I was playing a 36b connstellation, Ahh, the memories.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One viable option to get a more conical sound from your trumpet is our Osmun 6V Mellophone mouthpiece, available here https://osmun.com/osmun-6v-mellophone-mouthpiece/

We also stock the Curry line of TF and TC mouthpieces in a variety of rim sizes.
https://osmun.com/curry-tf-tc-mouthpiece-for-trumpet/

I hope this is helpful, Happy Thanksgiving, one and all!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the link. The mouthpiece is for Mellophone. Are you saying that this Mellophone mouthpiece fits, and can be used, on a trumpet?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: What would turn a trumpet into a cornet? Reply with quote

etc-etc wrote:
Perhaps a Bob Reeves or GR cornet-to-trumpet mouthpiece adapter?

As I was first reading this OP, I immediately thought about Reeves, too, but not because of Reeves mouthpieces but Purviance, who Reeves handles. They have the original; tooling and Reeves was a Purviance protege.

I would call Reeves and tell them what your after and get a Purviance cornet mpc cut for trumpet.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: what would turn a trumpet into a cornet? Reply with quote

blbaumgarn wrote:
My dad tried doing the opposite. Got my mouthpiece stuck and he grabbed a couple shop rags and a pliers. Wrapped the mpc. with a rag, put the pliers on her and grabbed the bell and made me a herald trumpet in about three seconds. There is no way to describe how powerful my dad was when he was younger but he stretched the Conn Director a whole bunch. Glad he did that when I was in sixth grade cause one year later I was playing a 36b connstellation, Ahh, the memories.


Ah - memories. The father who decided he could solder his son's sax key post with a welding torch....

Mellophone: Kelly makes a 6V mellophone with a trumpet shank for $30. It's also available as a standard and short shank cornet mpc.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James Becker wrote:
One viable option to get a more conical sound from your trumpet is our Osmun 6V Mellophone mouthpiece, available here https://osmun.com/osmun-6v-mellophone-mouthpiece/

We also stock the Curry line of TF and TC mouthpieces in a variety of rim sizes.
https://osmun.com/curry-tf-tc-mouthpiece-for-trumpet/

I hope this is helpful, Happy Thanksgiving, one and all!


Thank you James!

I have found an indication that the trumpet and mellophone receivers are quite similar. Hickey's sells an adapter that converts French Horn mouthpiece to trumpet / mellophone receiver:

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