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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 1:26 am Post subject: |
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Ain’t that a little harsh? I vastly prefer trumpet over flugel as well but like to add flugel for effects from time to time. Poor little flugel. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | Ain’t that a little harsh? I vastly prefer trumpet over flugel as well but like to add flugel for effects from time to time. Poor little flugel. |
Maybe, but I am very, very glad that I’m this time not complete alone like happened too often in the past.
BTW I admire real flügel players like CT and the late Ack and I respect doublers who have to play that awful thing if the arranger decided that way, but I don’t believe in the use of the flügel as an effect. |
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gregplo Heavyweight Member
Joined: 08 Jan 2002 Posts: 506 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Getzen wrote: | I certainly hope not.
And if anyone needs a little “treatment” we can help. |
Brett,
Seems an X-13 is just what the doctor ordered...can you help me out? _________________ Best Regards,
Greg
Jaeger Custom (Heavy Bell)
Stomvi Titan (Bellflex Bell)
Conn 61B
CarolBrass Arturo Sandoval Pocket Trumpet
CarolBrass CFL-620R
Getzen CB 610
Remember...when He returns, the trumpet shall sound.... |
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Grits Burgh Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Oct 2015 Posts: 805 Location: South Carolina
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Until the bathtub is full of mouthpieces and a person is contemplating buying a second Ophicleide, there really isn't any reason for concern.
Buy every horn you ever wanted and die happy.
Warm regards,
Grits _________________ Bach Stradivarius 37 (1971)
Schilke HC 1
Getzen 3810 C Cornet
King Master Bb Cornet (1945)
B&S 3145 Challenger I Series Flugelhorn
Life is short; buy every horn you want and die happy. |
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DH Veteran Member
Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 495
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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BIAD and GAS are definitely tempered by age. Just in my top Bb and C, I've got a great set of Bachs, Yamahas and Powells. I've bought all kinds of old trumpets and I'd guess the sum total must be near to 60-70 (yeah, I know, it's not all THAT many...)
Now that I'm mid '70s it's much harder to justify in my mind that I need more trumpets. I'm running out of storage space. The house looks like the back of a music store with stacked cases. While my son plays he's much more efficient wit what he keeps.
So the thought of "what am I going to do with all this stuff?" certainly tempers those tendencies
Someone mentioned about mouthpieces. I love mouthpieces. Always used to buy them just to see what they'd do.
But my problem with both trumpets and mouthpieces is that I have an easy time buying them, but for some reason I never ever sell them!! |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Hey, I really like the last two posts! I easily buy stuff as well but have no problem to let things go, so my overall „stuff at home level“ may be a lot lower than what some of you have.
Still, I am REALLY looking at a few things right now and if I were to follow Grits, there may be a few things headed my way after New Year’s.
Happy Holidays and merry Christmas, everyone! _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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Trumpjerele Veteran Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2019 Posts: 187 Location: Spain
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:44 am Post subject: |
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It may be the worst day to say this, but we don't need to have so many things.
You can be a happy musician with less stuff.
This year I have discarded several breathing apparatus. I also have two trumpets for sale.
A bit of minimalism has been good for me. _________________ Notice!!! Amateur musician without formal studies
Trumpet: Yamaha 8310Z
Mouthpiece: the great Yamaha11b4
Sax tenor: Yamaha YTS 23
Mouthpiece: Otto link tone edge |
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bnbechtel Regular Member
Joined: 26 Oct 2021 Posts: 66 Location: US
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a cure for brass instrument acquisition disease |
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Estevaomiguel wrote: | An honest comparison of my abilities and my collection leads to a diagnosis of BIAD (brass instrument acquisition disease).
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“Hello. My name is Stephan and I have BIAD. I can, and actually do, play only some of my instruments.”
Please, help me. Am I alone in this affliction? |
Trumpet Herald and eBay are feeding this for me. I realized this tonight, then came on here and saw this post. In the last couple of months, I went from two cornets to five cornets and five trumpets, with a Blessing Artist (the one with the underslung 3rd valve ring) from long long ago on the way. This purchase is in no small part the result of research on Trumpet Herald posts from over the years.
I found a couple that work really well, the others I'm going to clean up, put new corks and springs in, have the dents taken out, and probably sell again. And I'll probably keep doing this.
I'm doing this with about a $300 maximum expenditure per horn, a couple more like $80, but I'm getting to try out all of these instruments that have good reputations while not being terribly expensive.
I'm enjoying the hunt, I don't know if it would be as much fun if I had endless money for horns everyone knows are great horns.
Best,
Brent |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1991 Location: WI
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:32 pm Post subject: Re: Is there a cure for brass instrument acquisition disease |
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bnbechtel wrote: | Trumpet Herald and eBay are feeding this for me. |
True for me as well! Various posts on the Trumpet Herald gave me good insights into horns worth pursuing, and eBay usually turned up available examples if I waited long enough (although I didn't limit my maximum expenditure if I really wanted a particular horn).
bnbechtel wrote: | I found a couple that work really well, the others I'm going to clean up, put new corks and springs in, have the dents taken out, and probably sell again. And I'll probably keep doing this.
I'm doing this with about a $300 maximum expenditure per horn, a couple more like $80, but I'm getting to try out all of these instruments that have good reputations while not being terribly expensive. |
This reminds me of the show "Flipping Bangers", only with trumpets instead of cars! |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2117 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, we probably all have waaaaay too much stuff. Hence I buy things I am interested but also sell others again. I am not much of a keeper but like to try out things. The list below really is what I have - plus one or two horns more but they come and go and I haven’t found anything to replace the good horns on the list (yet ). And yes, of course the hunt is fueled by forums like this but also by talking to my teacher who is quite the gearhead and fellow band members. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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bnbechtel Regular Member
Joined: 26 Oct 2021 Posts: 66 Location: US
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Is there a cure for brass instrument acquisition disease |
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Halflip wrote: | bnbechtel wrote: | Trumpet Herald and eBay are feeding this for me. |
Quote: | True for me as well! Various posts on the Trumpet Herald gave me good insights into horns worth pursuing, and eBay usually turned up available examples if I waited long enough (although I didn't limit my maximum expenditure if I really wanted a particular horn). |
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This reminds me of the show "Flipping Bangers", only with trumpets instead of cars![/quote]
Yes! So, so far as a result of Trumpet Herald, I have tried out:
- 2 Conn 80A cornets, one of which I will keep
- 1 Getzen Super Deluxe Tone Balanced cornet
- 1 Rudy Muck Academy (earlier, without the badge on the bell)
- 1 Olds Special
- 1 Conn 22B New York Symphony
- 1 Wm. Frank Biltmore
- 1 Conn 28B Concert Grand trumpet (my favorite so far)
- A Blessing Artist Model with the underslung third valve ring should be arriving next week, I have high hopes for that one, as it is also large bore, which apparently I like. I don't know why, but I feel more relaxed and have more fun playing the larger bore horns so far.
The horns are all very different. Some of them make me want to play them more than others. But yes! It would be like Flipper Bangers. I should be able to do this while making a little bit of money in the end, and I'll be putting reconditioned trumpets back into the world.
Best,
Brent |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 870 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:15 am Post subject: |
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I am very far behind you guys. I just have 3 horns. All vintage Kings two trumpets and one cornet . _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2017 Posts: 1560 Location: Virginia USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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There is no cure for GAS or BIAS. Though it is not a terminal disease it is incurable except by a spouse who cuts of the money or takes other drastic measures to stop the acquisition of musical instruments.
The anguish caused by this malady can be briefly alleviated by purchasing another musical instrument. The longer you stretch out the search and acquisition process, that greater the period of relief. One great way is ordering a custom made instrument that takes six to 10 months to receive and constantly communicating with the maker. Cheap quick purchases of used horns give brief relief. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS, Yamaha YTR-6335S
C: Schilke CXL, Kanstul 1510-2
Bb Cornet: Getzen 800 DLXS
Pic: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
Bb Pocket: Manchester Brass
Flugel: Taylor Std
Bass Tr: BAC Custom
Nat. Tr: Nikolai Mänttäri Morales Haas replica |
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improver Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 1456
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Going broke might cure you lol |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Posts: 2193 Location: Little Elm, TX
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Compared to a lot of you guys, I'm a piker because I only have five. But my wish list is about $30,000 long. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2012 Posts: 2474
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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The treatment requires regular doses of a three-part prescription: Money, time and space. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 721 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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improver wrote: | Going broke might cure you lol |
Well, I went broke a couple times, but then someone sent me a shiny plastic card with numbers on it and now they send me even more horns, cases, mouthpieces and them mutey things. The post office lady complains some, but it is great! _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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Yammie Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 819 Location: sunny Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:56 pm Post subject: It’s all relative |
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My first reaction is only three B flats? You need to get busy
I’ve been playing professionally for over 40 years, and I’ve kept a tally of horns that have come and gone. I’m well over 200, though I only have 25-30 at present. My one regret is not keeping horns I’ve had restored due to pesky short term financial issues. I’ve sold a couple I regret not keeping.
My acquisitions are focused on horns I can use professionally. Despite my enjoyment of the beauty of vintage cornets, I rarely get calls to play one. On the other hand, horns that are useful for lead playing (Connstellation 36B, Conn 8B, and some 70s Holton’s) are keepers.
I have half a dozen LA Olds Ambassador cornets and trumpets. Whenever I find them cheap and in solid mechanical condition, I grab them. I have one cornet SN 40xxx (circa 1949) that’s my go-to travel and trunk horn. Another (SN 28xxx) is a 1948, and with a few minor repairs is another keeper.
My 12 year old plays a 1960 Conn Director trumpet with a Coprion bell. He is the envy of his band mates. I paid $150, I think. There are worse addictions.
And my Couesnon Eb contralto flugelhorn, a $210 purchase, is tremendously fun for soloing in big band, especially on ballads.
I guess my point is you have some catching up to do, and your rationalization game needs improvement 🤣🤣
Best regards,
Bill _________________ 6340S, Connstellation 36B, 38B, 38A, and 28A, Couesnon flugel, Blackburn C, Kanstul/Besson 920 picc, and a HUGE pile of Messina Covers gig bags |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Nov 2015 Posts: 737 Location: SE US
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Not gonna waste my time thinking about a cure for that problem!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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wayben Regular Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 60 Location: usa
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Don't want to cure it!! It's what keeps me sane. _________________ Calicchio 1s7 Trumpet
Lawler C7 Trumpet
Harrelson Summit Prototype Trumpet
Conn 40B Trumpet
Yamaha YTR-6310z Trumpet
Bach LR18037 Trumpet
Bach 184 Cornet |
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