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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Padre08 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:22 pm Post subject: 22B Leadpipe/Mouthpiece receiveer |
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I'm wondering if there is an issue with a modern mouthpiece fitting into the receiver of a 22B. I have an ACB MV3CS and finding some resistance. Granted, I'm a comeback player rebuilding, but something seems a little off. But, hey, what do I know. Thanks for the help! |
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: 22B Leadpipe/Mouthpiece receiveer |
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Padre08 wrote: | I'm wondering if there is an issue with a modern mouthpiece fitting into the receiver of a 22B. I have an ACB MV3CS and finding some resistance. Granted, I'm a comeback player rebuilding, but something seems a little off. But, hey, what do I know. Thanks for the help! |
Circa 1955, the industry switched to a more slender shank on the mouthpiece, and modern [post-1955] mouthpieces will slide deep into the mouthpiece receivers of classical [pre-1955] horns, and often get stuck [in which case you need specialized equipment to ease them back out].
Christine Derksen has an article about it here:
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArticle42.html
And Alan Rouse talks about it here [concerning the Olds Los Angeles horns]:
http://rouses.net/trumpet/cornetmpc/cornetmpc.htm
Christine recommends some scotch tape wrapped around the shank of a modern mouthpiece, or else contacting Warburton about getting a mouthpiece with a "B" backbore. |
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hazentlewis New Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: 22B Leadpipe/Mouthpiece receiveer |
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Padre08 wrote: | I'm wondering if there is an issue with a modern mouthpiece fitting into the receiver of a 22B. I have an ACB MV3CS and finding some resistance. Granted, I'm a comeback player rebuilding, but something seems a little off. But, hey, what do I know. Thanks for the help! |
I just purchased a Conn 22b NYS from 47’ and was wondering about mouthpieces. I have a MV3CS in a modern blank which I was hoping to pair with the horn. Does this horn respond better with a short shank B cup or a shallow bowl? _________________ 1947 Martin Committee #3
1990 Bach Stradivarius 25
1967 Old's Special Fullerton Calif
1947 Conn 22B New York Symphony |
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: 22B Leadpipe/Mouthpiece receiveer |
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hazentlewis wrote: | Padre08 wrote: | I'm wondering if there is an issue with a modern mouthpiece fitting into the receiver of a 22B. I have an ACB MV3CS and finding some resistance. Granted, I'm a comeback player rebuilding, but something seems a little off. But, hey, what do I know. Thanks for the help! |
I just purchased a Conn 22b NYS from 47’ and was wondering about mouthpieces. I have a MV3CS in a modern blank which I was hoping to pair with the horn. Does this horn respond better with a short shank B cup or a shallow bowl? |
Christine has a good article about it here:
https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnArticle42.html
Your options are to
1) Procure a vintage mouthpiece with the old fat "European" shank, or
2) Use a modern mouthpiece with a slender "American" shank and a thin sliver of Scotch tape about the tip of the shank, or
3) Get a Warburton "B-series" backbore,
https://warburton-usa.com/collections/trumpet-mouthpieces
4) Or send the horn to someone who knows what he's doing, like Mark Metzler or Robb Stewart or Chuck Ward, and have him place a modern mouthpiece receiver in the horn.
[Obviously the Scotch tape cheat is the quickest, easiest, and least expensive, although I don't know whether the adhesive goo might build up inside the horn over time.]
The change from the fat "European" shank to the slender "American" shank occurred circa 1954/55; instruments built before 1955 [almost always] shipped with the the fat "European" shank, whereas instruments built during or after 1955 [almost always] shipped with the slender "American" shank.
This is a pre-1955 CONN #4 fat-shank mouthpiece [note the vertical lettering]:
And this is a post-1955 CONN #4 slender-shank mouthpiece [note the horizontal lettering]:
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Tarh331_Dad Veteran Member
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And, again, to emphasize: Do NOT shove a modern slender-shanked mouthpiece into a vintage fat mouthpiece receiver.
The slender-shanked mouthpiece will get hopelessly stuck in there, and you'll have to purchase some expensive [and/or very rare] tools to gently pull the slender shank out of the fat mouthpiece receiver. |
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