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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 5:42 am Post subject: Is Schilke Valve Oil Good? |
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Hi guys,
I just bought a Schilke trumpet and was thinking of trying Schilke valve oil.
Have any of you tried it?
Thanks,
Ken |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:04 am Post subject: |
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If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Lawler Bb Heavyweight Member
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Christian K. Peters Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 6:39 am Post subject: Is Schilke valve oil good? |
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Hello all,
Schilke valve oil works for most of my horns. I use a different oil for the couple of horns, closer to needing a valve overhaul. _________________ Christian K. Peters
Schilke Loyalist since 1976 |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 7:31 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. |
Thanks for you sarcasm! Have you ever tried Schilke valve oil? |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Kennyg2019 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. |
Thanks for you sarcasm! Have you ever tried Schilke valve oil? |
I'm not reading the reply as sarcasm but rather respect for the Schilke folks and their reputation. If it is labeled Schilke, you can rest assured they have tested it and they think it works well enough to allow their brand name to be associated with it.
Remember that valve oil is a chemical, and your breath has chemicals in it too. I am diabetic, and sometimes a change in my diabetic medication makes my valves stick and the valve oil I use to no longer work as well. I have switched valve oil three times in the last 20 years, each because of med changes.
I have had students who are more acidic (touch and breath), and they need a different valve oil than I do to get it to work.
Schilke trumpets generally have very tight fitted valves, so a lighter oil might be better. The Schilke is a lighter oil.
HTH,
AL _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 9:05 am Post subject: |
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I have owned and played Schilkes and used the Schilke valve oil not only on Schilkes but other horns as well. Nevertheless, that doesn't affect the answer to my question. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 8:18 am Post subject: |
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dr_trumpet wrote: | Kennyg2019 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. |
Thanks for you sarcasm! Have you ever tried Schilke valve oil? |
I'm not reading the reply as sarcasm but rather respect for the Schilke folks and their reputation. If it is labeled Schilke, you can rest assured they have tested it and they think it works well enough to allow their brand name to be associated with it.
Remember that valve oil is a chemical, and your breath has chemicals in it too. I am diabetic, and sometimes a change in my diabetic medication makes my valves stick and the valve oil I use to no longer work as well. I have switched valve oil three times in the last 20 years, each because of med changes.
I have had students who are more acidic (touch and breath), and they need a different valve oil than I do to get it to work.
Schilke trumpets generally have very tight fitted valves, so a lighter oil might be better. The Schilke is a lighter oil.
HTH,
AL |
This.
Geez, “sarcasm”? Looks to me like the OP is looking for something to be offended by.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Lawler Bb wrote: | Yes. It's great. |
Thanks, Eric. I just placed an order! |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Kennyg2019 wrote: | Thanks, Eric. I just placed an order! |
You mean Schilke doesn't include a bottle of their valve oil when you buy one of their trumpets? It seems to me that they're large and well-established enough to do that (just like Bach, Yamaha, etc.)
Or did you buy your trumpet second-hand? _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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Aaronis Regular Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | dr_trumpet wrote: | Kennyg2019 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. |
Thanks for you sarcasm! Have you ever tried Schilke valve oil? |
I'm not reading the reply as sarcasm but rather respect for the Schilke folks and their reputation. If it is labeled Schilke, you can rest assured they have tested it and they think it works well enough to allow their brand name to be associated with it.
Remember that valve oil is a chemical, and your breath has chemicals in it too. I am diabetic, and sometimes a change in my diabetic medication makes my valves stick and the valve oil I use to no longer work as well. I have switched valve oil three times in the last 20 years, each because of med changes.
I have had students who are more acidic (touch and breath), and they need a different valve oil than I do to get it to work.
Schilke trumpets generally have very tight fitted valves, so a lighter oil might be better. The Schilke is a lighter oil.
HTH,
AL |
This.
Geez, “sarcasm”? Looks to me like the OP is looking for something to be offended by.
Brad |
I took it as sarcasm or a little rude. The guy just asked a simple, very valid question as there are tons of products that are made from the same manufacturer where one product is great and the other is not so much. Just because a company with a good reputation makes X extremely well, doesn't mean they are good at making Y.
A better response would be "Yes, I have tried it and it works great. I highly recommend it for your new Schilke horn." Is that so hard?
As for the OP's question, I have not tried it, but maybe I will now. _________________ 2018 Schilke B6
1980's CG Selmer
1976 CG L.A. Benge
1955 Mt. Vernon Bach
1947 Olds Super
Holton Revelation Model 48
1964 Holton Galaxy Cornet |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Aaronis wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | dr_trumpet wrote: | Kennyg2019 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. |
Thanks for you sarcasm! Have you ever tried Schilke valve oil? |
I'm not reading the reply as sarcasm but rather respect for the Schilke folks and their reputation. If it is labeled Schilke, you can rest assured they have tested it and they think it works well enough to allow their brand name to be associated with it.
Remember that valve oil is a chemical, and your breath has chemicals in it too. I am diabetic, and sometimes a change in my diabetic medication makes my valves stick and the valve oil I use to no longer work as well. I have switched valve oil three times in the last 20 years, each because of med changes.
I have had students who are more acidic (touch and breath), and they need a different valve oil than I do to get it to work.
Schilke trumpets generally have very tight fitted valves, so a lighter oil might be better. The Schilke is a lighter oil.
HTH,
AL |
This.
Geez, “sarcasm”? Looks to me like the OP is looking for something to be offended by.
Brad |
I took it as sarcasm or a little rude. …… |
Fair enough….I didn’t. Not sure if the OP’s “Thanks for you sarcasm!”
might have been a little rude though. Or maybe not. I guess it’s all subjective.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | Aaronis wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | dr_trumpet wrote: | Kennyg2019 wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | If Schilke put their name behind it, do you really think they would recommend an oil that would gum up their own horns?
Another answer to your question, though is that I have had good luck with Hetman's, which comes in different strengths, and B.E.R.P., which seems to last longest, that I just use them for every horn across the board vs. having a matching oil for each horn. |
Thanks for you sarcasm! Have you ever tried Schilke valve oil? |
I'm not reading the reply as sarcasm but rather respect for the Schilke folks and their reputation. If it is labeled Schilke, you can rest assured they have tested it and they think it works well enough to allow their brand name to be associated with it.
Remember that valve oil is a chemical, and your breath has chemicals in it too. I am diabetic, and sometimes a change in my diabetic medication makes my valves stick and the valve oil I use to no longer work as well. I have switched valve oil three times in the last 20 years, each because of med changes.
I have had students who are more acidic (touch and breath), and they need a different valve oil than I do to get it to work.
Schilke trumpets generally have very tight fitted valves, so a lighter oil might be better. The Schilke is a lighter oil.
HTH,
AL |
This.
Geez, “sarcasm”? Looks to me like the OP is looking for something to be offended by.
Brad |
I took it as sarcasm or a little rude. …… |
Fair enough….I didn’t. Not sure if the OP’s “Thanks for you sarcasm!”
might have been a little rude though. Or maybe not. I guess it’s all subjective.
Brad |
And he obviously didn't care for my reply because I got Nothin' back.... _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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dugantrumpet New Member
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I can vouch for using Schilke oil specifically for Schilke instruments. I know I seem crazy but I swear it makes a difference.. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 5:50 am Post subject: |
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dugantrumpet wrote: | Yes, I can vouch for using Schilke oil specifically for Schilke instruments. I know I seem crazy but I swear it makes a difference.. |
Doesn’t seem crazy at all to me. As others mentioned, I doubt that Schilke would have an oil made, or at least private labeled for them, if it wasn’t good quality.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
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JoeLoeffler Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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According to my sources, Schilke oil used to be private-label Al Cass. The modern product — I don’t believe is (but I don’t remember who told me that.) |
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Tom LeCompte Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure Schilke oils is fine, otherwise why would they put their name on it? I've seen them "make" their slide grease, and it's nothing special. But it works fine.
Let me be contrarian: If you oil your valves after you play, you will have great valves. Pretty much `any quality oil will be fine. Where you need to be pickier is if you want to use less oil than this.
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dr_trumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Tom LeCompte wrote: | I'm sure Schilke oils is fine, otherwise why would they put their name on it? I've seen them "make" their slide grease, and it's nothing special. But it works fine.
Let me be contrarian/ If you oil your valves after you play, you will have great valves. Pretty much `any qu`ality oil will be fine. Where you need to be pickier is iff you want to use less oil than this. |
This...spot on! _________________ Dr. Albert L. Lilly, III DM
Artist/Clinician for Vincent Bach Trumpets (Conn-Selmer)
Principal Trumpet, Hendricks Symphony (Avon, IN)
Arranger/Composer; Lilly Music |
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