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dbacon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 26, 2022 5:33 pm Post subject: Go slow! |
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Sorry but I don’t understand. What do you mean? _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
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Mark Leccese Regular Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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I studied with a guy from Berkeley who called very slow exercises or tunes "adult tempos." _________________ -- Mark L. from Boston
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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stuartissimo wrote: | Sorry but I don’t understand. What do you mean? |
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My guess is that the idea is to play slowly enough that no 'goofs' are made.
I use that approach on some exercise pieces - especially on ones that have lots of unexpected intervals, and which seem to lack a noticeable melody line.
All the notes are in my 'reliable playing range', but executing the consecutive notes with good sound takes a lot of concentration. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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There's a similar sentiment made that suggests that the fastest way to learn a fast phrase is to practice it slowly. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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cheiden wrote: | There's a similar sentiment made that suggests that the fastest way to learn a fast phrase is to practice it slowly. |
That is a very good plan with the addition of a metronome, not to just to keep a steady pace but to measure incremental tempo increase as well!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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stuartissimo wrote: | Sorry but I don’t understand. What do you mean? |
Muscle memory, Stuart. You are programming into your being a flawless response which you can speed up as you go along, keeping it "perfect". It actually cuts down the time to learn something because you don't have to keep going back and erasing and reprogramming bad habits. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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stuartissimo Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the clarification guys. _________________ 1975 Olds Recording trumpet
1997 Getzen 700SP trumpet
1955 Olds Super cornet
1939 Buescher 280 flugelhorn
AR Resonance mouthpieces |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 10:23 am Post subject: |
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I recently discovered something related. I'm trying to play the Scena Canto Gitano excerpt from Capriccio Espagnol. Triple tounguing. I wasn't making much progress even playing it slow. But adding a metronome, even very slow, helped immensely. Just having something to hang onto and regulate my tounguing made all the difference. Making appreciable progress now. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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cbtj51 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 11:07 am Post subject: |
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JetJaguar wrote: | I recently discovered something related. I'm trying to play the Scena Canto Gitano excerpt from Capriccio Espagnol. Triple tounguing. I wasn't making much progress even playing it slow. But adding a metronome, even very slow, helped immensely. Just having something to hang onto and regulate my tounguing made all the difference. Making appreciable progress now. |
+1 This from many very successful musicians; using a metronome for practice can be a key ingredient that results in more consistent performances.
The Tonal Energy app has been on my iPhone for a very long time, and since I am rarely without my phone nearby, I always have access to the metronome and I use it, warmups, practice and warmdowns!
Thanks for the Coady link!
Mike _________________ '71 LA Benge 5X Bb
'72 LA Benge D/Eb
'76 Bach CL 229/25A C
‘92 Bach 37 Bb
'98 Getzen 895S Flugelhorn
'00 Bach 184 Cornet
'02 Yamaha 8335RGS
'16 Bach NY 7
'16 XO 1700RS Piccolo
Reeves 41 Rimmed Mouthpieces |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 11:24 am Post subject: |
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I meant to add that I found that a metronome doesn't have to be only for increasing your speed on something. It can also just help you steady your tongue. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Bach 7C mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
www.jazzscales.org
The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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