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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:19 am Post subject: Brightest Shires Trumpet? |
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Hi,
I have a Schilke B3.
Is there a Shires trumpet that is similar...or even brighter?
Thanks,
Ken |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:31 am Post subject: |
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The CVLA medium bore is the brightest, and maybe the BLW being a close (but different) second, depending on the type of sound you’re looking for. _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Hack001 wrote: | The CVLA medium bore is the brightest, and maybe the BLW being a close (but different) second, depending on the type of sound you’re looking for. |
Thanks! I'm looking for a bright, focused sound for playing descants with my church choir. |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Awesome! What are you looking to improve on or change compared to your Schilke? In a church setting you may not want to go "too" bright because the sound can get a little strident. The CVLAs and model Bs are on the "commercial" side of things with Shires -- pretty bright and cutting. _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks but I’m a comeback player who’s only played Bb trumpets. Not sure if I could handle the intonation quirks etc of a C trumpet! |
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trumpjosh Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Kennyg2019 wrote: | Thanks but I’m a comeback player who’s only played Bb trumpets. Not sure if I could handle the intonation quirks etc of a C trumpet! |
The Shires C trumpets aren't very quirky at all. Try something with a 5 bell and I think you'd be very happy. _________________ www.milanomusic.com |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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trumpjosh wrote: | Kennyg2019 wrote: | Thanks but I’m a comeback player who’s only played Bb trumpets. Not sure if I could handle the intonation quirks etc of a C trumpet! |
The Shires C trumpets aren't very quirky at all. Try something with a 5 bell and I think you'd be very happy. |
I agree! _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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But aren't C trumpets more difficult to play...have more resistance, etc? |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Kennyg2019 wrote: | But aren't C trumpets more difficult to play...have more resistance, etc? |
The Schilke medium bore C's (C6 and C7) are particularly friendly. You already play a Schilke, you don't need an orchestral C (Bach and Shires). The C3 or C5 ( Large bores) would be very close in resistance to your B3 with the advantage of Schilke intonation.
Ed Kennedy
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Divitt Trumpets Heavyweight Member
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irith Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Haven't necessarily tried the entire line but I felt like the Severinsen Destino was just about the brightest horn I've played. Worth a look. _________________ Bach, Schilke, Pickett mostly |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | Kennyg2019 wrote: | But aren't C trumpets more difficult to play...have more resistance, etc? |
The Schilke medium bore C's (C6 and C7) are particularly friendly. You already play a Schilke, you don't need an orchestral C (Bach and Shires). The C3 or C5 ( Large bores) would be very close in resistance to your B3 with the advantage of Schilke intonation.
Ed Kennedy
Schilke trained brass tech |
Really? Wow...I just assumed they were all beasts to play. |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Divitt Trumpets wrote: | Shires Doc Severinsen with a shallow Mouthpiece is crazy bright.
It's a great horn. |
I can't use shallow mouthpieces (I bottom out). How about with a GR 3MX or a Reeves 43C? |
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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The CLW is exciting when pushed. Very efficient. Maybe someone from shires will give their perspective. |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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It really depends what you want, and what you're trying to improve on with your Schilke -- which is also a great horn!
I suppose I should fully disclose that I do in fact work at Shires, and have been playtesting their horns since 2017. Every trumpet that has left that building since, I have inspected, played, and adjusted if needed. I've played every model they've made and have about a good idea as any about how they compare to each other and other manufacturer's offerings.
So... ask away I suppose! _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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puzzleheadedcow Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't all the Shire trumpets bright? _________________ Trumpet!!!! I love it! |
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Brightest Shires Trumpet? |
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Kennyg2019 wrote: | Hi,
I have a Schilke B3.
Is there a Shires trumpet that is similar...or even brighter?
Thanks,
Ken |
If I am not mistaken S. E. Shires is having an open house event this summer. Your profile says you are in NY; Shires is about twenty miles west of Boston. Maybe make a trip over to play test some horns? _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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Hack001 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:23 am Post subject: |
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puzzleheadedcow wrote: | Aren't all the Shire trumpets bright? |
Not all, for sure. We don't have any massively "heavy" horns per se, but models like the AHW and 401 are heavier (darker? weightier?) than say a standard Bach or Yamaha. _________________ Practicing is for the insecure. |
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Kennyg2019 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Brightest Shires Trumpet? |
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“If I am not mistaken S. E. Shires is having an open house event this summer. Your profile says you are in NY; Shires is about twenty miles west of Boston. Maybe make a trip over to play test some horns?”
I may look into that. Thanks! |
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