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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:08 am Post subject: Two questions about Jet Tones. |
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*Are there any non-lead players playing Jet Tomes? (Al Hirt notwithstanding.)
*Who are they? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:13 am Post subject: Non lead players on Jet-Tones |
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Would Doc Severinsen qualify?
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gwood66 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Thad Jones? On the video of Central Park North it looks like he playing a Jet Tone flugel mouthpiece. _________________ Gary Wood (comeback player with no street cred)
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:30 am Post subject: Re: Non lead players on Jet-Tones |
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Tony Scodwell wrote: | Would Doc Severinsen qualify? |
I don't know, Tony. In this context, I would put him into more of the "lead" category. That's as contrasted to a combo-oriented Jazz player. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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rap Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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I seem to remember the Jet-Tone brochure had Clark Terry and Bobby Hackett using their mouthpieces. |
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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rap wrote: | I seem to remember the Jet-Tone brochure had Clark Terry and Bobby Hackett using their mouthpieces. |
And,
Benny Bailey
Thad Jones
Dr. Ted Crager
Bobby Bryant
Jack Wheaton
Jimmy McPartland
Eddie Engels
Frankie Brown, although usually considered a lead player, Frank did it it all using Ratzenberger-era …
•Al Hirt, A rim
•Studio, A rim
•Symphony, A rim
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I guess mainly nigh-note but adaptable. I wonder which model would be most adaptable to combo jazz playing, Symphony model? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:45 am Post subject: |
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You might take a look at the Patrick mouthpiece site. Many of his pieces are based on JetTone designs. |
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RussellDDixon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Ed Kennedy wrote: | You might take a look at the Patrick mouthpiece site. Many of his pieces are based on JetTone designs. |
I 2nd this Motion ... Steve makes really great mouthpieces. I own an old "LOUD" piece and a 12.C Patrick piece. _________________ Schilke X3 Bb trumpet
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:58 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Thanks. I guess mainly nigh-note but adaptable. I wonder which model would be most adaptable to combo jazz playing, Symphony model? |
None of the current Jet-Tone pieces are TRUE (Ratzenberger) Jet-Tones. Some, not even close to the original.
It'd be a good guess that none or the jazz players who endorsed JetTone 50 years ago were using those pieces to get a warm, smokey sound. More likely, they appreciated the improved endurance and relatively quick responsiveness of the pieces.
But, as mentioned, if you're interested in the JetTone world, work with Steve Patrick.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:03 am Post subject: |
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No, I know of other sources like Legend etc. Just curious who played them, that's all. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:33 am Post subject: "True" Jet-Tones |
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Why do so many people think Ratzenberger made Jet-Tones are the true versions? Ray Amado developed the original concept and Bill Ratzenberger was his business partner until Ray caught him stealing from the till. Ray packed up and left Ratzenberger to carry on. Bill Ratzenberger owned a night club in Bridgeport, Conn. and didn't have the skill to screw a burr on a bolt and the "original" Jet-Tones produced by him after Amado left were never good or consistent. They got worse when the business changed hands many times over the years. I know the Legends are quite accurate as I gave them the original Ray Amado made pieces to copy.
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: "True" Jet-Tones |
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Tony Scodwell wrote: | Why do so many people think Ratzenberger made Jet-Tones are the true versions? Ray Amado developed the original concept and Bill Ratzenberger was his business partner until Ray caught him stealing from the till. Ray packed up and left Ratzenberger to carry on. Bill Ratzenberger owned a night club in Bridgeport, Conn. and didn't have the skill to screw a burr on a bolt and the "original" Jet-Tones produced by him after Amado left were never good or consistent. They got worse when the business changed hands many times over the years. I know the Legends are quite accurate as I gave them the original Ray Amado made pieces to copy.
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Very interesting account, Tony. _________________ C. G. Conn 60B Super Connstellation
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, Tony, thanks for the info! _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: "True" Jet-Tones |
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Tony Scodwell wrote: | Why do so many people think Ratzenberger made Jet-Tones are the true versions? Ray Amado developed the original concept and Bill Ratzenberger was his business partner until Ray caught him stealing from the till. Ray packed up and left Ratzenberger to carry on. Bill Ratzenberger owned a night club in Bridgeport, Conn. and didn't have the skill to screw a burr on a bolt and the "original" Jet-Tones produced by him after Amado left were never good or consistent. They got worse when the business changed hands many times over the years. I know the Legends are quite accurate as I gave them the original Ray Amado made pieces to copy.
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Thanks for the clarification, Tony. When did Ray Amado leave the business?
I bought my four pieces, at the same time and with the same rim, in 1970 without knowing anything about the Jet-Tone business structure or any names associated with it. I picked up the Ratzenberger tag from the internet, many years later (sometime in the ‘90s or early 2000s), when I was trying to get a backup piece before having a mod made on the original. I hate that I echoed a misinformed internet myth.
The “identical” model, at that time from Jet-Tone, wasn’t close, in interior dimensions, to my piece, but, I tried again when they advertised subsequent models as exact copies of the originals. Not close, again.
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1830 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Some time in the late 80's or early 90's I purchased some Jet-tones. I think they were size "7" somethings and a DS. The "7"s ID felt similar to a Bach 10 1/2 C while the DS felt like perhaps a Bach 8C and the Symphony - perhaps in the Bach 5C range.
A little later, Woodwind & Brasswind acquired the rights to the name and sold the mouthpieces. I'm not sure who actually made them (Kanstul?). I ordered some more mouthpieces. The "7" size was now about like a Bach 6C or 7C, the Symphony model felt like a Bach 1 1/2 C.
I see that WWBW is now selling 8 Jet-Tone models again - specifically under the Jet-Tone name and logo. I wonder what size they are? I might try the Symphony C again - liked the rim shape. |
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maynard-46 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Oct 2002 Posts: 1845 Location: GEORGIA
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:27 pm Post subject: Two questions about Jet Tones. |
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The current models WW&BW are selling are made by Schilke.
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peanuts56 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty sure Don Ellis played the Roy Stevens Model for a time, and they were made by Jet Tone. I know Don had studied with Roy. I had one and gave it away to a former student. Cleaning out a closet recently, I recently found the flugelhorn mp that was a Roy Stevens model.
My mother had a cousin in Bridgeport who was a good trumpeter. He had a few Jet Tones that he bought from Ratzenberger in the early 70's. He liked them. |
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JeffM729 Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don’t see Charley Shavers or Ernie Royal mentioned yet as Jet-Tone jazz artists. Add them in. |
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GordonH Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002 Posts: 2893 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:28 am Post subject: |
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Dave Stahl too.
I played his JetTone for a while in the 80s, model SS. _________________ Bb - Scherzer 8218W, Schilke S22, Bach 43, Selmer 19A Balanced
Pic - Weril
Flugel - Courtois 154
Cornet - Geneva Heritage, Conn 28A
Mouthpieces - Monette 1-5 rims and similar.
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