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Pablotr
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 2:20 am    Post subject: Piano / Trumpet Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

This is a question for piano and trumpet players. Maybe it's a pointless question, but... How do you put your mind? I mean, I played the piano for years, and when I read sheet music I automatically see black and white keys... When I read sheet music for the trumpet, the same thing happens... Despite knowing that it is a transposing instrument... I don't know if I should avoid that custom.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long have you been playing trumpet?

You need to practice reading a lot and train your brain to respond with the appropriate fingerings.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always done that, probably because I played piano from an early age and later took up trumpet when I was 11. The only down side I have ever perceived over the 50 years since is that my dislike of what could be considered "difficult" key signatures to play on piano has transferred to trumpet, even though in reality on trumpet no key is more difficult to play in than any other (at least in my experience). Nevertheless I still dislike playing in F#!
Aside from this I think you most likely work at an advantage, with an acquired knowledge of chords/harmony that anyone who just plays a melody instrument won't already have.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s all caused by the fact that the b-flat trumpet is a transposing horn. I have the same problem but alittle different. I seem to read the Bflat trumpet parts a whole tone lower, so I read a C as a Bflat .Obviously I consider my Bflat as a C horn. My problem occurs then when I read piano sheets, I have really to reset my mind.
And I consider Fsharp/Gflat major and B major quite easy on a piano cause of the natural fingering. But concert A and B major on a trumpet are difficult on a trumpet IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you read sheet music you should be hearing sound
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately different sounds on piano and Bflat horns
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recognizing the desired pitch, no-thought finger action, no-thought embouchure action.

'automatic mechanics' - the goal is to NOT need awareness of those items, just have them happen as a reflex to seeing the written (or visualized) notes.

"Just DO it" - but that usually only happens after a lot of thoughtful practice.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your replies and advice. You are absolutely right when you say that I should be thinking in sounds, since that is what this language is all about. But when I'm doing exercises in the twelve tones, it makes it much easier for me to visualize a keyboard. Despite the fact that, and this is where I find the problem, the C on the keyboard is a D in a trumpet score...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pablotr wrote:
But when I'm doing exercises in the twelve tones, it makes it much easier for me to visualize a keyboard. Despite the fact that, and this is where I find the problem, the C on the keyboard is a D in a trumpet score...

What you are doing when you play piano is associating the keys with the sound. Do the same on trumpet but keeping it trumpet-specific.

In other words, see a written pitch (for trumpet), hear it in your inner-ear, and think of the trumpet fingerings. You can do it. It just takes repetition.

I have played professionally Trumpet, French horn, Flute, Sop., Alto and Ten. saxes with no problem. It just takes time and orientation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
I have played professionally Trumpet, French horn, Flute, Sop., Alto and Ten. saxes with no problem.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't perfect pitch, I don't think it would be problematic to follow Kelahuani's advice.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the advice here is probably right but on a more individual level reality is different for bad readers like myself.
In a former life when I played slide trombone in several big bands I played all the books in fact by memory, using the sheets for keys and global orientation.
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