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Jerry Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2002 Posts: 2163 Location: Kennett Square, Pennsylvania
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:45 am Post subject: |
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annvill wrote: | ...I consider the Bach 180 37 more difficult to play than the Yamaha Bobby Shew.... |
Me, too. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12664 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Please note up front that I am not arguing otherwise, but I am surprised to find so many votes for the Bach 37.
Based solely on the numbers sold it doesn’t make sense. But I guess that 1% of 100,000 is larger than 1% of 1000 so maybe that accounts for it, if the assumption that numbers sold correlates at all with how it plays.
Again, not debating the opinions stated, just surprised. |
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shofarguy Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Sep 2007 Posts: 7013 Location: AZ
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:53 am Post subject: Re: Hard trumpet |
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annvill wrote: | Can you give me a list of the 3 hardest trumpets to play? |
I've played a bunch of different horns over the past 15 or so years. Some are preferable in certain settings/ensembles. Some have been difficult because of wear or damage. I have to say that the most difficult horns I've played have been the ones I could not hear while playing them.
It happened with a certain Burbank Benge 3X. I had to listen for myself in the monitor, because I had no discernible feedback from the horn.
I was handed early Harrelson trumpets on two occasions to try and both of them had so little feedback that I had no desire to try to perform with them.
I also agree with the poster above that cited Calicchio trumpets as hard to play. They feel very different in how they communicate with me as the player. I don't like that feeling, but I imagine I could get used to it, if I chose to do so. They are certainly regarded as great trumpets by those who use them. _________________ Brian A. Douglas
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Bb Trumpet in copper
Flip Oakes Wild Thing Flugelhorn in copper
There is one reason that I practice: to be ready at the downbeat when the final trumpet sounds. |
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Ozzbo Veteran Member
Joined: 16 Feb 2011 Posts: 137 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 8:59 am Post subject: |
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For me it's:
Bach 37.....Yammie 6310Z....Getzen Eterna ML (Post 70's) !!!!!
Ozzy |
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SilverSpunk Regular Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2022 Posts: 91
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:35 am Post subject: |
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A vintage horn with worn valves will be a challenge to play, if that is what you mean.
I remember playing a student horn (forgot the name) years ago and it was incredibly stuffy.
Or maybe if you mean horns that have trouble responding in the upper registers, just play a vintage horn with an incompatible mouthpiece shank/taper and you will know what I mean. |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Croquethed wrote: | The hardest trumpet to play is the one you put away after high school and try to play again when you're 30. |
Or worse 60 |
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GeorgeB Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Apr 2016 Posts: 1063 Location: New Glasgow, Nova Scotia
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:43 am Post subject: |
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[quote="SilverSpunk"
I remember playing a student horn (forgot the name) years ago and it was incredibly stuffy.[/quote]
Maybe it was a a Jupiter, because I had one on loan one time while my main horn was in for repair, and it was tremendously difficult to play.
George _________________ GeorgeB
1960s King Super 20 Silversonic
2016 Manchester Brass Custom
1938-39 Olds Recording
1942 Buescher 400 Bb trumpet
1952 Selmer Paris 21 B
1999 Conn Vintage One B flat trumpet
2020 Getzen 490 Bb
1962 Conn Victor 5A cornet |
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Mar 2013 Posts: 2044 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:20 am Post subject: |
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A 0.448" bore King Liberty
Any vintage horn with worn valves
A student's trumpet where the leadpipe venturi was choked down to about 0.150" due to years worth of accumulated...gunk.... |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:55 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | She asked a sincere question. |
Are you sure both about the question and about the she? |
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Bethmike Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jan 2020 Posts: 194 Location: NW of ORD
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:37 am Post subject: |
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I find my Bach 190S43 easier for me than my Bach 180S37. Both ML bore. Both horns tuned up and in great shape. Played with the same Stork mouthpiece.
I always could get a nice sound from the 180S37, but it was work, I felt like I fought with it, and never felt I had it figured out.
The 190S43 just seems to work for me. I am in control of my airflow (if that makes sense - it is the biggest differentiator for me). My articulation seems easier and can be delicate more easily.
YMMV, but this my very recent experience. I sold my 180S37 as a result of this.
Mike _________________ Bach190ML43
Kanstul 1001
Bach NY7
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Winghorn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 2164 Location: Olympia, Washington
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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This question cannot be answered. Different horns suit different players. And different levels of playing ability affect how a horn is perceived when tested.
I once owned a Mt. Vernon Bach that was dismissed by several amateur players as being “stuffy”. This trumpet was later sold to the principal trumpet player of one top symphony orchestras in this country, who loves it and uses it as his primary Bb.
Threads like this are fun, but I hope no one takes the opinions expressed by unknown (playing ability wise) posters as gospel. |
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JoeCool Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Nov 2001 Posts: 2238 Location: Wimberley, TX
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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The Shew Horn is a step bore & plays tighter than a standard Bach 37. So you may prefer a tighter horn. However; one could compensate for a more open blowing horn with a tighter mpc. There are many variables. What mpc do you play on? _________________ Joe |
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