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falado Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 942 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:13 pm Post subject: Bach 37 No location stamped |
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Hi, I just acquired a Bach 37 at a local music store. The bell is roll stamped, the last word of the stamp is corporation and there is no location below that. The 2nd valve casing is stamped Mt.Vernon, the serial number is 300XX.
From what I can see in the Bach Loyalist site is that’s it’s maybe a 1965 early Elkhart horn with Mt. Vernon parts. Is having no location a rare thing or did it just talk them a while to catch production to only Elkhart parts? I take it the bell is probably Elkhart and not Mt. Vernon? Or is the bell also a Mt. Vernon leftover and they didn’t stamp the location.
I’m cleaning it up and will get the valves cleaned and aligned. The rubber inserts in the valve caps are hard and this thing clanks. It has metal valve guides, and the springs are a little weak, but that may change once the valves are cleaned. I already have another early Elkhart, but I couldn’t let this one get away so one or the other will be for sale soon.
Thanks, Dave _________________ FA LA DO (Ab: V/ii) MUCS, USN (Ret.)
Stomvi VR (Reeves) with VR II Bell
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Bach 37, Early Elkhart, Blueprinted
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Goby Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like you have a transitional model from Mt. Vernon to Elkhart. Uber rare. Please attach pics. |
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falado Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 942 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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I would if I could figure it out. I don’t see a place do add attachments on my iPad. _________________ FA LA DO (Ab: V/ii) MUCS, USN (Ret.)
Stomvi VR (Reeves) with VR II Bell
Bach 239 25A C, Blueprinted
Bach 37, Early Elkhart, Blueprinted
Kanstul Flugel
Getzen 4 valve Pic.
Yamaha D/Eb
Besson Cornet |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1925 Location: WI
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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2023 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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This is how you insert pictures into a post on this forum (read the last two posts in the thread):
https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146974 _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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TJTS Regular Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2023 Posts: 84 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:11 am Post subject: |
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Is the third slide stop in the "reverse" direction like the New York Bachs? If so, that is another indicator it is a transition horn. I owned a 37 from this time period in the past and it was a killer horn. Serial was 32XXX if I remember right. _________________ Michael | Owner
www.thejazztrumpetstore.com
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 9:31 am Post subject: |
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One easy thing to check is the bell rim. When Bach began making bells at Elkhart, there was left-over steel rim wire from Buescher in what had been their plant. If the magnet sticks, it's Elkhart. _________________ Ron Berndt
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falado Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, I just finished playing it again after a good cleaning and wow, this horn is what a Bach should be. Ok, the tuning slide stop is reversed and the the bell wire is steel. I looked at trying to get pictures from that website, but something with my iPad isn’t working. I may need to find another way. Also, after a good cleaning, the horn looks excellent and the lacquer is mostly intact and has a nice dark gold color. I found gem.
I’ve contacted Osmun Music and this horn will get blueprinted.
Dave _________________ FA LA DO (Ab: V/ii) MUCS, USN (Ret.)
Stomvi VR (Reeves) with VR II Bell
Bach 239 25A C, Blueprinted
Bach 37, Early Elkhart, Blueprinted
Kanstul Flugel
Getzen 4 valve Pic.
Yamaha D/Eb
Besson Cornet |
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trumpetera Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 1210 Location: Gothenburg,Sweden
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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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If the trumpet plays the way you like it to now, I wouldn’t fiddle with it except for new felts/rubbers etc.
Every change changes something…. _________________ Principal trumpet Gothenburg Opera Orchestra
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falado Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:20 am Post subject: |
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trumpetera wrote: | If the trumpet plays the way you like it to now, I wouldn’t fiddle with it except for new felts/rubbers etc.
Every change changes something…. |
I understand, but there’s one dent needs removing and it needs new valve cap inserts and felts, so PVA may be needed.I can feel the bell bow as slightly out of round (hence blueprinting). Others than that she’s a player.
Dave _________________ FA LA DO (Ab: V/ii) MUCS, USN (Ret.)
Stomvi VR (Reeves) with VR II Bell
Bach 239 25A C, Blueprinted
Bach 37, Early Elkhart, Blueprinted
Kanstul Flugel
Getzen 4 valve Pic.
Yamaha D/Eb
Besson Cornet |
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TJTS Regular Member
Joined: 06 Jan 2023 Posts: 84 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:56 am Post subject: |
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I have a Committee with an out of round bend that plays better than a Committee with a perfect bend. I just say it gives the horn character! _________________ Michael | Owner
www.thejazztrumpetstore.com
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