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Steve A Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:51 pm Post subject: Euphonium Shank Question |
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I know I'm stretching the definition of "Other Toys" somewhat, but does anyone know what the right mouthpiece shank is for a Besson Sovereign euphonium? Does this matter? Thanks! |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3306 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think there are several euph mpc shank sizes. A starting point would be to measure the ID at the end of the mpc receiver. I think 2 sizes are 'small t-bone', and 'large t-bone'.
With my old 3-V Buescher euph, I had to make a small ring to fit on the open end of the mpc shank to prevent the mpc from rocking. Both the mpc and the instrument are very old, so I don't know if either of them meet any current size spec. I only play it for yearly Tuba Christmas, so I'm interested in basic functionality, not costly actions for 'best performance'.
I made the ring from a brass plumbing compression fitting - It needed to be enlarged slightly (stretched on a tapered mandrel) for a tight fit on the shank, and then sanded down to an OD that gave decent fit. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2655 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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There are four different shank sizes for euphoniums. And that is not counting some odd ones for vintage instruments. You may need either a large shank or European shank which is smaller. _________________ Richard
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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For euphonium my go to sites are David Werden's forum and reddit's euphonium page. You could post a picture/model number and they'd let you know. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8335 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Euphonium Shank Question |
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Steve A wrote: | I know I'm stretching the definition of "Other Toys" somewhat, but does anyone know what the right mouthpiece shank is for a Besson Sovereign euphonium? Does this matter? Thanks! |
It's likely a large shank (aka bass trombone, etc) if it's a relatively recent Besson (from the past 40 years).
http://www.dwerden.com/forum/showthread.php/22786-Euphonium-Shank-Sizes
But, most Euphoniums that aren't student line are large shank. At least that's what my experience in teaching and music retail gives me. But, I'm not exactly an expert on low brass. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
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Doug Elliott Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Well I do know about euphonium shanks - I make low brass mouthpieces.
A Besson Sovereign euphonium will have a standard large shank (same as bass trombone), or if it's a very old Besson it may have a medium euphonium shank, depending on when it was made. And sometimes people change the receiver, so you have to see what's there.
A large shank mouthpiece is very close to 1/2" (.500) at the end of the shank. A medium shank is about 15/32" at the end. I'm assuming you don't have calipers to make an accurate measurement. |
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Steve A Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 1808 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:10 am Post subject: |
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Doug Elliott wrote: | Well I do know about euphonium shanks - I make low brass mouthpieces.
A Besson Sovereign euphonium will have a standard large shank (same as bass trombone), or if it's a very old Besson it may have a medium euphonium shank, depending on when it was made. And sometimes people change the receiver, so you have to see what's there.
A large shank mouthpiece is very close to 1/2" (.500) at the end of the shank. A medium shank is about 15/32" at the end. I'm assuming you don't have calipers to make an accurate measurement. |
This is great - thanks! I'm going to be borrowing the instrument, so I don't have it yet, but it's almost certainly not meaningfully old or modified, so the standard large shank sounds like the likely winner. Much appreciated! |
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