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nowave Veteran Member
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 453 Location: brooklyn
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2023 3:01 pm Post subject: New Bach availability |
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Anyone have info on who in the NYC area might have the 190m37x and 19072x in stock to try? |
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njt Regular Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 37 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 5:00 am Post subject: |
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I’m in Boston and would like to know the same thing ~ when are the new horns going to hit the shelves? Including the 17043GYR. Thanks! _________________ Bach 50th Anniversary 19037 S
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MrOlds Heavyweight Member
Joined: 25 Apr 2003 Posts: 726 Location: California
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 7:18 am Post subject: |
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This early in the product lifecycle probably the best way to get one in your hands at a local shop is to have them order one for you. |
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BudBix Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 519 Location: United States
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 9:58 am Post subject: |
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True. Unfortunately that usually means it's treated as a special order and you are obligated to buy. For most stores I suspect the typical buyer is a high school kid's parent, who won't know anything about the new models, so the stores are in no rush to get new stock. In NYC and Boston there are stores with national reputations. I'm surprised they don't have stock yet. I did notice the new models are listed on wwbw.com but either back ordered or arriving later in June.
MrOlds wrote: | This early in the product lifecycle probably the best way to get one in your hands at a local shop is to have them order one for you. |
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Irving Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2023 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Could be that they are sending the first horns out to Europe and Asia, where the prices are higher. |
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steevo Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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After the new Bach trumpets were announced, I went to my local music store to see if/when they would have them. They didn't have any, and didn't seem to know when they would have them in stock.
I did come home with a new Yamaha 8310Z II, and could not be happier! |
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2020 Posts: 627 Location: Here and there
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure the local brass-centric music store here in the subtropics has at least two of the new Bachs, although I must admit when I was last in there it was before I was familiar with the nomenclature of the new horns and so cannot say what models they were/are, if they are spoken for, etc. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Subtropical and Subpar wrote: | I'm pretty sure the local brass-centric music store here in the subtropics has at least two of the new Bachs, although I must admit when I was last in there it was before I was familiar with the nomenclature of the new horns and so cannot say what models they were/are, if they are spoken for, etc. |
Be aware they revamped the 19043 and 19037, so if the store has these models, it could be the pre march-may 2023 revamped versions. It has to have a serial number 0f 800,000 or higher to be the new models. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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njt Regular Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 37 Location: New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I'd like to see Bach publish a release date on their web site. Something like "Most authorized dealers will have these to sell beginning X date". _________________ Bach 50th Anniversary 19037 S
Reeves mouthpieces
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Subtropical and Subpar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2020 Posts: 627 Location: Here and there
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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chef8489 wrote: | Subtropical and Subpar wrote: | I'm pretty sure the local brass-centric music store here in the subtropics has at least two of the new Bachs, although I must admit when I was last in there it was before I was familiar with the nomenclature of the new horns and so cannot say what models they were/are, if they are spoken for, etc. |
Be aware they revamped the 19043 and 19037, so if the store has these models, it could be the pre march-may 2023 revamped versions. It has to have a serial number 0f 800,000 or higher to be the new models. |
They were in a display case. My eye was drawn to them because the bells said Bach but the engraving / decoration around it was different from a Strad, Artisan, or Anniversary. This was a few weeks ago now, and I cannot say if they are still in stock. I later ran into the owner at a band concert we were both in and he confirmed in passing that they had new Bachs. Don't know if they were 190s, 180s, or 170s. _________________ 1932 King Silvertone cornet
1936 King Liberty No. 2 trumpet
1958 Reynolds Contempora 44-M "Renascence" C
1962 Reynolds Argenta LB trumpet
1965 Conn 38A
1995 Bach LR18072
2003 Kanstul 991
2011 Schilke P5-4 B/G
2021 Manchester Brass flugel |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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Subtropical and Subpar wrote: | chef8489 wrote: | Subtropical and Subpar wrote: | I'm pretty sure the local brass-centric music store here in the subtropics has at least two of the new Bachs, although I must admit when I was last in there it was before I was familiar with the nomenclature of the new horns and so cannot say what models they were/are, if they are spoken for, etc. |
Be aware they revamped the 19043 and 19037, so if the store has these models, it could be the pre march-may 2023 revamped versions. It has to have a serial number 0f 800,000 or higher to be the new models. |
They were in a display case. My eye was drawn to them because the bells said Bach but the engraving / decoration around it was different from a Strad, Artisan, or Anniversary. This was a few weeks ago now, and I cannot say if they are still in stock. I later ran into the owner at a band concert we were both in and he confirmed in passing that they had new Bachs. Don't know if they were 190s, 180s, or 170s. |
Those were most like the last gen 190 series ie pre this release. The new ones look like this with the Corperation back on them.
_________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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Halflip Heavyweight Member
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1926 Location: WI
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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Neat! They really 'snazzed up' the signature. _________________ "He that plays the King shall be welcome . . . " (Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, Line 1416)
"He had no concept of the instrument. He was blowing into it." -- Virgil Starkwell's cello teacher in "Take the Money and Run" |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:30 am Post subject: |
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I see that both the Bach and Conn-Selmer websites are reflecting the new horns exclusively, so I would assume it is mostly just a matter of working through the reorder process by all of the retailers.
I wonder if they are still doing split production or otherwise slowing output though. I noticed that Build-a-Bach is still allowing configuration and ordering of the old models, and as Bait & Switch carries criminal consequences in some states, I have to assume this means they are still building custom old models as well. That would inevitably slow down the flow of new models.
It sounds like they have at least one hit on their hands with the new Apollo, so hopefully the bottleneck clears quickly. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
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AndyDavids Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 5:09 am Post subject: |
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I would think your best bet would be checking with Josh Landress |
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Irving Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Bach could easily move their inventory by selling the older instruments at a good discount and make way for the new stock. |
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chef8489 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Aug 2011 Posts: 858 Location: Johnson City Tn
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Irving wrote: | Bach could easily move their inventory by selling the older instruments at a good discount and make way for the new stock. |
I'm sure they could once they caught up on production of the new horns. They could sell the older 190 horns at a slight discount.
I love my 190 horn and would love to try the new 190 series horns as well as the 170 series. _________________ Current horns
2023 Bach 19072G/43 pipe with 1st trigger
1966 H.N. White King Silver Flair
1965 H.N. White King Super 20 Sllversonic Symphony 1st trigger |
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