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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:34 pm Post subject: Six Notes, Breath/Tongue Sequence Reversed. Why? |
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For fun and to mix things up a bit (avoid boredom), I just got a copy of Caruso Band Method (Rapid Development Through Long Setting) by Caruso, Graham and Booth.
The given sequence of the Six Notes is Tongue, Tongue, Breath.
I learned the Six Notes as Breath, Breath, Tongue.
Does anyone want to speculate as to why? Thanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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JonathanM Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I just watched a Ken Larson YouTube vid a few weeks ago and I thought he said Breath, Tongue, Tongue. Now I'm really curious... _________________ Jonathan Milam
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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I was assigned (T = tongue, B = breath attack):
- TTB 1st time
- BTT 2nd time
For me it was because my articulations were not super clear and so got the benefits on the breath attack but starting "centered" (ish, interpretation from years later)
In MFCB it has BTT as the "default", but does include the suggestion of TTB for some cases.
Many students of Carmine (or students of students) probably just assign whatever they were originally assigned tbh. _________________ More than one trumpet
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Destructo Veteran Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:01 pm Post subject: Re: Six Notes, Breath/Tongue Sequence Reversed. Why? |
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kehaulani wrote: | For fun and to mix things up a bit (avoid boredom), I just got a copy of Caruso Band Method (Rapid Development Through Long Setting) by Caruso, Graham and Booth.
The given sequence of the Six Notes is Tongue, Tongue, Breath.
I learned the Six Notes as Breath, Breath, Tongue.
Does anyone want to speculate as to why? Thanks. |
That's weird, my book has B T T for the six Notes.
Also, I'm curious how B B T would work. Does that mean you stop the air with you lip like saying 'p' or 'b', or do you start and stop the air flow itself? |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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The B-B-T is probably with a little air push from the gut on the second breath note.
But you guys told me what I need to know, thanks. I'll probably just go with the Caruso book's B-T-T. Thanks for your patience. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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peanuts56 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Before I went to study with Carmine, I had been studying his routines with one of his former students for a year or so. Both had me start the 6 notes on a breath attack. (BBT) I seem to remember the first guy telling me Carmine would sometimes have a new student start with the tongue after hearing the student play a bit.
Here's one for you all. I was packing up to head out after a session with CC and the next student was a violinist. Wonder what he had her start with. I couldn't stay to watch. Had just enough time to get to Grand Central for my train home. |
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bagmangood Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2023 7:04 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | The B-B-T is probably with a little air push from the gut on the second breath note. |
FWIW for TTB what I was told to do (and/or did, don't remember the order) was to let the note before the breath attack end a little early, the goal being to actually get the same feel of breath attacking from a rest _________________ More than one trumpet
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