Any advice for type 2's?

[AB baby]

I am a high schooler who just recently changed his embouchure to a type 2, I have only been playing for 2 months with this embouchure and it seems more promising than my last one but it still needs a lot of work.

For about 6 years I had been trying to play like everyone else, with a downward horn angle and more top lip than bottom lip (downstream), I would try to do this by rolling in my top lip and actually holding my embouchure together by pure pressure while my top lip was literally under my top teeth, not even on them. My bottom lip would have nothing to vibrate on because most of it was just hanging around because I was trying to play as if I had an overbite, but I naturally have an underbite.

Anyway, I hit a skill cap at one point and started researching new ways to play but all of them just said to "firm your corners" or "practice and the range will eventually come", except Reinhardt, which I feel has actually helped me improve, now I can naturally tongue, have an actual range now, double tongue, vibrato, etc.

TL DR: I recently switched to being a type 2 after having a pretty bad inner embouchure, any advice as to how to improve? What exercises from the schlossberg, arban, clarke, etc would other type 2s reccomend?

I also wanted to make this post specifically about type 2s because I mostly see type 3 and 4 posts but not any about 2s so it would be helpful to heir from other type 2s in order to find my strengths and weaknesses and focus on those.
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Type 2
Love mariachi, jazz, marching band, and full orchestra

[Doug Elliott]

A type II is identical to type IV in every way except resting position of the jaw. Every aspect of playing is the same. I prefer to just call it IV. And IV's are not that uncommon.

Without actually seeing you play, I can only offer general suggestions, and even those are only wild guesses. I suggest a Skype lesson.

It's probably good that you tried to play downstream, because it uses muscles that you need. Downstream freebuzzing is useful (if done correctly) because it helps to identify the feel of using those muscles below the corners, which will help as an upstream player. Don't use muscles above the corners - that's a fairly common mistake.
Learn what you pivot is and learn to use it. I can help you find that in a lesson.

There's lots more but it sounds like you're somewhat familiar with the concepts.

[AB baby]

Yeah I mean I know that I pivot down to go up and pivot up to go down but honestly playing downstream would be unnatural for me in every way possible because of the high placement on the teeth and lips, it's just extremely uncomfortable and unnatural for me and while upstream has uts struggles they make a lot more sense instead of trying to struggle with playing in such a way that is unnatural to me.

As far as lessons go I've never really had a private lesson other than with my public school band directors.
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Type 2
Love mariachi, jazz, marching band, and full orchestra

[JayKosta]

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[JoshMizruchi]

Wow! This is quite a post from someone so young. I’m impressed.

You are indeed correct that Type IIs often have an underbite. It was Chris LaBarbera who informed me of that many years ago in one of the posts here. However, there are exceptions. One of them is one of my former teachers, Dennis Wilson (former lead trombone with Basie, Carnegie Hall Jazz Band). I know he is a type II because he told me that Reinhardt himself typed him as one when he visited Berklee and Prof. Wilson was still a student. However, I don’t think he has an underbite, so there must be exceptions. Go to www.DennisWilson.org for a picture of him smiling. I couldn’t get it to upload here.

Looks like he has a slight overbite if anything, which is what I’m pretty sure most people have. He’s the only person I’ve ever met who I know of who was typed as a II.

As far as material to practice, I’m not sure you can go wrong with most Reinhardt material. However, I would take a Reinhardt lesson if I were you 1). To confirm you are in fact a type II. 2). To pinpoint mechanical corrections that need to be made. 3). Make sure you are practicing the material correctly. Remember that Reinhardt material, like any other exercise, can do more harm than good if approached incorrectly. A lesson or two would ensure you don’t fall into that trap.
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Josh Mizruchi
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[Doug Elliott]

Type II's ALWAYS have an underbite, that's the definition of it. The "exception" is called Type IV.

Dennis Wilson must have not remembered the right number ...as nearly ALL single-time Reinhardt students didn't remember their type correctly.

"Uh... I think I'm a 3... something?"

[JoshMizruchi]

Could actually be that I’m misremembering what he told me. It was over 15 years ago. But I’m pretty sure he said II. It was either II or IA, because I remember it being something shockingly rare.

It seemed from what he described (though modestly) that Reinhardt probably said in his lesson, “OK, you don’t need my help. Now go have a great career.”

I don’t know much about IIs because I’ve never seen one in action (especially now that we know Prof. Wilson isn’t one). I think I remember Reinhardt saying somewhere this type was so rare it almost wasn’t worth mentioning.

If this young man is indeed a type II, this is a good opportunity for us to learn from and potentially help others with this rare embouchure type.
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Josh Mizruchi
http://www.joshmizruchi.com

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