8335LA Bergeron Yamaha

[Trptbenge]

Zig Kanstul worked with Wayne quite a bit to get the horn like he wanted it. I have seen two or three prototype horns floating around. The rumor was that initially they had trouble duplicating the leadpipe Zig had created for Waynes horn.

When I saw Wayne give a clinic at the University of Central Florida about 5 and a half years ago the local Kanstul dealer was trying to pass the Kanstul 1504 Model as the same as Waynes. Which I think that is the horn that the WB evolved from. However, it was very different.

I am anxious to try the Yamaha and compare it to the Kanstul.

Mike
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[T2]

Hey TH,

Just to put my 2 cents in. Dillon has recieved 1 YTR-8335LA and 1 YTR-8335LAS and sold them both in the same day, they were pre-orders for customers. We have several of both lacquer and silver on order, however I am not sure of the delivery date. Please give Jason or me a call at the shop if you have any quesitons.

Jim McCombs
Dillon Music

[crzytptman]

I don't think there is any way to get the kind of consistency from horn to horn that you guys are talking about with production horns. There are just too many variables. That is why they are "tweaked" after production. First, how uniform is the metal being used? Are all of the soulder joints exactly in the same place from horn to horn? When the excess is removed, does the exact same amout remain? Are the valves perfectly aligned vertically and rotationally? If not, are they all out in the same way? What about buffing - is the metal of uniform thickness over the entire horn and from horn to horn after buffing? How uniform is the lacquer or plating? You all probably know that you can place a small amount of weight or even a rubber eraser on different parts of the tubing and it will change the way the horn responds and sounds. That's why "tweaking" is done after production, and the "tweak" that makes one horn play will not neccessarily make the next play the same.
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[trumpetgeeksr]

TRUE THAT!!
If Mr. Bergeron let me play on his personal horn, I would probably give it back thinking...... what's so special???? I mean, no matter what caliber of player you are, our blow, endurence, feel, hearing, is totally different.

But YAMAHA makes a great trumpets. They put PRIDE into their products. AND BACKS IT!!
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[Rich G]

[Trptbenge]

No, I agree that it is impossible to get that degree of consistency in any horn. Even if you had ten horns and they all were great playing horns each one is still going to be a little different. Sometimes it doesn't take much to effect a horns playing characteristics. I was thinking more of consistent production quality. However, as far as consistent quality for production horns it is hard to beat Yamaha.

Mike
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[crzytptman]

I once pulled two V1's off the wall at a music store. Same model. I played one and thought it played ok. Picked up the other and put my mpc in, and it bottomed out. Is that manufacturing error or design change? That's a topic we haven't even addressed: if you have a variance in the receiver, you're not gonna have consistent gap and therefore you will not be able to effectively compare the response of various horns - unless you have your mpc cut for sleeves and carry a few different sizes with you. And don't kid yourself, every manufacturer of receivers has variance, as do the makers of the sleeves . . .
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Crazy Nate - Fine Yet Mellow Fellow
"so full of it I don't know where to start"
Horn: "just mismatched Kanstul spare parts"
- TH member and advertiser (name withheld)

[Chadwick]

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