Yamaha trumpets and mouthpiece gap

[Louise Finch]

Ok, Tom Hooten prefers a gap on a Yamaha Artist trumpet equivalent to what he would get with a Bach mouthpiece.

Is this evidence towards your personal preference theory? Can’t really say with a sample of one player.

Bobby Shew plays the Yamaha Shew model trumpets. Do they gap like the Yamaha Artist models? It would be interesting if they didn’t, like Hose found when comparing a Xeno to a 6335RC.

To be honest, I’m getting tired of arguing back and forth about this. I think that I've stated the reasons for my viewpoint over and over again.

We’ve ascertained that regular Yamaha mouthpieces insert around 1mm more than a lot of Bach mouthpieces. Maybe we should try to find out if this is deliberate, and whether the Yamaha trumpet models that are supplied with regular Yamaha mouthpieces, are developed in association with regular Yamaha mouthpieces.

BUT, AND I HONESTLY THINK THAT THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE SITUATION.

Yamaha trumpet receivers are generally deeper than Bach trumpet mouthpiece receivers. Yamaha mouthpieces insert further into a mouthpiece receiver that is deeper. There may be something in this.

I've been reliably informed, "Bach receiver are usually 1.115 deep and Yamahas are 1.165 deep. So the same gap would require .050 more insertion on the Yamaha." .050" is 1.27mm. Maybe this is why Yamaha mouthpieces insert around 1mm more?

That lol is the case for the defence. Honestly, I truly don't care anymore. I have no hard evidence and this is all my personal opinion, but I honestly believe that it is no coincidence that Yamaha trumpet mouthpiece receivers are generally around 1mm deeper than Bach trumpet mouthpiece receivers, and regular Yamaha trumpet mouthpieces generally insert around 1mm more than most Bach mouthpieces.

Take care and best wishes

Lou
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Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs

[Louise Finch]

abontrumpet, have you seen this (taken from https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1700487#1700487 )

[abontrumpet]

[Louise Finch]

I cannot comment about Tom Hooten or other orchestral trumpet players who play with a Bach insertion amount on Yamaha Artist trumpets, other than to suggest that maybe the larger throat and more open backbore that they tend to play, possibly balances out the extra resistance from the 1mm extra gap.

All that I can conclude is that Yamaha trumpet receivers are generally 1mm deeper than Bach trumpet receivers, and it would be reasonable of me to suggest that this could very well be the reason that regular Yamaha mouthpieces insert 1mm further than a lot of Bach mouthpieces.

In all honestly, with absolutely no offence meant, I don’t think that it is worth continuing this discussion further, as we are never going to agree. Look back through this forum and you will see quite a few accounts of players commenting about Bach mouthpieces playing stuffy on Yamaha trumpets, especially in the upper register. Personally I think that is because a Yamaha trumpet receiver is around 1mm deeper, and that you have around 1mm too much gap, and that it would make sense to at least experiment with sleeves to see whether 1mm less gap improves things. If someone doesn’t want to try this, fair enough. I’m simply sharing the solution I found for me.

Let’s do us both a favour, and everyone else, and wrap up this discussion now. We are never going to agree.

My very best wishes

Lou
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Trumpets:
Yamaha 8335 Xeno II
Bach Strad 180ML/37
B&H Oxford
Kanstul F Besson C
Yamaha D and D/Eb
- James R New Custom 3Cs
Flugel:
Bach Strad 183 - Bach 3CFL
Cornets:
Yamaha Neo + Xeno
Bach Strad 184ML
B&H Imperial
- Kanstul Custom 3Cs

[abontrumpet]

[Louise Finch]

[kerouack]

Let me continue:

Monette silver series mpc: 25mm
AR mouthpiece : 24mm

[JayKosta]

I think the real question is whether there is a particular 'insertion depth' that applies to various Yamaha (and others) specific 'standard' model instruments that produces an acceptable (to most players) gap.

When trying different mouthpieces, would it be useful to check the insertion depth? Maybe compare with insertion of your regular mouthpiece?

I wonder if some mouthpieces are made with insertion depth intentionally a little short, so they don't get returns due to bottom-out and are loose in the receiver.
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Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'.

[Louise Finch]

[abontrumpet]

[kerouack]

Or use a system to adjust the gap and get better performance.

[abontrumpet]

For your records: I also measured a Mark Gould signature Yamaha mouthpiece (friend brought it over). Like the Tom Hooten, it inserts like a Bach mouthpiece.